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    s0 i want to know ,,,
    if i buy a laptop with a low level Phenom II processor
    can i upgrade the processor to a Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz ??
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    Without knowing what laptop, no.

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    anything on this page

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    they are all phenom II mobo's with interchangable grafix cards

    so im assuming top o the line
    im sure there a junker or 2
    but thats not my focus,,i just want to know will a quad core be supported in a 2 core or low 4 core, or 3 core environment?
    possable , not possable?
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    Im going to tell you NO outright. That is a completly different socket. The cpu you are asking to switch to is a desktop cpu and it so much larger then the laptop socket. laptops use the S1 socket vs AM3 and amd AM3+ for desktops such as the 965 BE.

    So if you were buying a laptop with the Phenom II it would be in the N6xx or P6xx series. Such as the P650 or N640 Phenom II dual core chips. If you were attempting to upgrade to a Phenom quad you will have to locate a Pxx or N9xx series. The BE series in laptops start with X6xx for duals and X9xx for quads. Then you have your tri cores starting with P8xx and N8xx. Such as the P860 and N870.

    Be warned laptop AMD chips can get very expensive depending on which model line you are looking at. Look on Ebay because they are very hard to find from retailers.

    Oh and I almost forgot the most important thing! The cooling solution in the current laptop is not suited for a Quad BE. So be very mindful of this. Try to select a CPU in the same Thermal envolpe and wattage. Doesnt have to be exact but it needs to be close. If you go higher invest in a laptop cooler. You will need it.

    Hope this was helpful and good luck.

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    So based on the first laptop that came up on your list which has a N620 dual Phenom. That is a 35w 3600mhz bus part. The first Quad BE that falls into the S1 socket is the X920. This is a 45w 3600mhz bus part. This will increase the thermals inside your laptop by a noticeable margin. You will need a laptop cooler at all times to help keep the heat down. It will also suck your battery dead a lot faster.

    I would also suggest when you install the newer CPU invest in the thermal compound possible.

    All of this is based on if the bios will support that CPU. It is almost impossible to verify this info. So update the bios to the newest version before you upgrade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberburnout View Post
    So based on the first laptop that came up on your list which has a N620 dual Phenom. That is a 35w 3600mhz bus part. The first Quad BE that falls into the S1 socket is the X920. This is a 45w 3600mhz bus part. This will increase the thermals inside your laptop by a noticeable margin. You will need a laptop cooler at all times to help keep the heat down. It will also suck your battery dead a lot faster.

    I would also suggest when you install the newer CPU invest in the thermal compound possible.

    All of this is based on if the bios will support that CPU. It is almost impossible to verify this info. So update the bios to the newest version before you upgrade.
    I doubt a laptop cooler would help and even so I think that laptop processors are soldered to the mobo, atleast in cheaper laptops. Even if you could upgrade it there would likely be issues with the mobo, battery, BIOS and power supply because non of them were likely designed for the newer CPU. I would check to make sure that the laptop you buy could come with either CPU then the only thing you would have to worry about is if the CPU is soldered to the mobo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoLoMoTo View Post
    I doubt a laptop cooler would help and even so I think that laptop processors are soldered to the mobo, atleast in cheaper laptops. Even if you could upgrade it there would likely be issues with the mobo, battery, BIOS and power supply because non of them were likely designed for the newer CPU. I would check to make sure that the laptop you buy could come with either CPU then the only thing you would have to worry about is if the CPU is soldered to the mobo.

    I have upgraded cpus in laptops myself. Only the Atom and amd E350/E450 type cpus are soldered to the board. The series we are talking about are not. It is an S1 socket and the cpu can be replaced. Same for the Intel I3, I5 and I7 series. They CAN be replaced. I work on laptops almost everyday in a repair center.
    The laptop cooler will help. The temps will not be so hot it will burn up but it will be hot enough to decrease the life span of the cpu and components around it without a laptop cooler.
    I have already looked into the laptop he is asking about. The power supply will not be an issue. The bios ver may be an issue because there is no way to tell if it will support the cpu he wants to upgrade. He can only try to search online to see if someone else has already upgraded theres. Since they CPU i selected for him is in the same family of cpus he has a good chance of compatibility. Again This CPU being soldered to the board is NOT a concern. It is an S1 socket. S1 is not a soldered socket. Its a Ziff socket. We replace CPUs constantly. Even upgrade cpus.

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    i took the time to tear apart this laptop Just so he can see what he will be dealing with. its pretty simple IMO.

    This is not an AMD board but it will be pretty much the same. You will need to remove the heat sink from the cpu. Sometimes this heat sink will also cover the GPU. if it does by mindfull if it is using thermal pads as opposed to thermal paste. You do not want to damage these pads, you will need to reused them. They are usually blue and have a foamy texture.

    [IMG][/IMG]

    After heat sink is removed. You will see the Ziff socket. AMD socket works the same way. Use a small flat head screw driver to turn the lock into the unlocked position. Remove cpu. Store the CPU is an ESD safe bag or ESD safe foam.
    [IMG][/IMG]

    After cpu is removed Clean the heat sink with alcohol to remove the OEM thermal paste. Do not use alcohol on any blue thermal pads. Insert new cpu. MAKE SURE YOU DON'T FORGET TO LOCK IT! Add small amount of thermal paste and screw down heat sink. Done with upgrade!
    [IMG][/IMG]

    Assembly the laptop just enough that you can turn it on. If you see a completed post, turn laptop off and complete assembly. This saves you the time of putting it all the way together and having it not work. I usually use an external lcd using the vga port. This decreases the risk of damage to the lcd ribbon cables while test.

    If it completes the POST you are good. If you have a black screen you either forgot to lock the cpu socket, didnt put the memory back in it or the cpu isnt supported.

    Good luck.
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