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    Hello everybody!

    I just signed in so first of all I'd like to wish you a very happy new year with a lot of Mhz ^^

    I'm mounting my new rig with the specs indicated in my profile and I'm wondering about the choice of my memory, not the size which will be 4 Gb.

    To be frank I read many articles about memory, overclocking, bus and so on... and I feel a bit lost in all that information. Off course, I'm going to overclock my CPU so I browsed through various tests and found the reviews on this website which are by the way really great!

    3 kits draw my attention :
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    - Kingston HyperX 4GB DD3-1600


    The first kit seems a good choice because it is dedicated to the CPU, but is it really interesting compared to the fantastic overclocking capacities of the 2 other kits?

    Could anyone help me in this matter please?

    Thanks a lot

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    Hey there and happy new years to you too!!
    Im not an expert by any means but what ive heard is that it doesnt really matter the brand which you get. Its a matter of loyalty and preference really because in reviews and tests the scores all are about the same. Some of them come ready for watercooling and others have cool heatsinks.
    Also id say get 1600 mhz. Ive posted threads like this wanting to know if youd ever see the difference between 1600 and 2000 and the concensus is NO only in benchmark results.
    k bud hope this helps cheers

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    Hello Shu and welcome to Pure OC

    Go back to user cp >edit system specs and at the top right you will find the option to make public.

    The decision to buy overclockable ram is linked to what you want to achieve when overclocking your cpu...if you want to push for top speeds and performance then buying the fastest (when overclocked) ram will give you more choices and potentially a better clock. If however you want to set up at a good but not excessive overclock (for example an i7 920 at 4.0G) then if your ram can do 1600, whatever its rating, you will be fine

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    Yes, your specs aren't showing, but judging by those choices we have to determine whether you're using an AMD or Intel CPU. It does make a difference.

    Generally speaking with memory though, those are all good kits, I tested them myself. The question is how far do you want to push things and how much do you want to spend? Both the Crucial and Kingston will hit the highest speeds, and of all the memory I've ever tested, those 2 kits are probably the best in their respective speeds. Can't go wrong with either of them. If you want to go "pretty high" then the Crucial. If you want to push "really" high then the Kingston. ASSUMING this is Intel we're talking about. If AMD, then no choice, you have to go with the OCZ.

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    Thanks a lot for your welcome and your answers guys, it does help me a lot! I made my specs public (sorry I forgot the option before) so you could see my build.

    As you can see, I'm mounting an AMD rig (because I'm an AMD defender, that's for the personal conviction part) with the latest Phenom.

    I read carefully what you wrote Skyguy and here's my next question: why do I have to go for the OCZ kit in my case? Is this a matter of compatibility with the CPU? I'm really not literate about this subject...

    My idea is to mount a "mainstream plus" type of rig, I'm not a hardcore gamer (at least I don't play games like Crisis) and I do some picture touching and multimedia use. That's why I didn't choose an FX based motherboard because I won't use the Crossfire for sure.
    I'm planning to push the CPU around 4.1 Ghz and push the RAM accordingly.

    I know I should add an SSD for the system to optimize all that but I don't really have the budget for it, I first thought about using a Velociraptor 150 GB but I didn't make up my mind yet. I know the Velociraptor is no match compared to a SSD but it is still better than a classic HD isn't it?

    But I budgeted the price for a good RAM kit so price is not a problem for this part.

    I'm waiting for your remarks

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    Hey, and welcome!

    You have a Black Edition CPU, you can OC it to 4.1 without touching the RAM, just go by the multiplier on the CPU. I am running that BE RAM, and i like it. of course, there is virtually no difference between it and the Mushkin kit I had before, except looser timings.

    now another question: do you want to OC the ram, or is your focus on OCing the cpu?

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    Ok, despite what Skyguy said, you don't need to use OCZ memory for an AMD system. The only difference in that memory and most other memory is that the OCZ Black Edition Memory has BEMP (Black Edition Memory Profiles) that make it easier to overclock your memory from within Windows using AMD's Overdrive Utility. While this does sound like a really useful feature, most overclockers will tell you that you can get much better speed/timings from manually setting your speed in the BIOS.

    Now, with this in mind, I also do a lot of work in Photoshop (and the rest of the Adobe Suite). The graphics card I am currently using, the Sapphire 4850X2 (newegg will have them back in stock on 1/18) is highly ranked on the Adobe site as one of the top cards to use for use with their products. Or, another option would be to get a Sapphire HD 5770 Vapor-X. You already said you aren't a hard core gamer, so the loss in performance won't be that bad for you at the display resolution your monitor supports (1920 x 1080), AND it has a lower power requirement on the 600W Power supply you are looking to buy. It's also $100 less ($125 less with the 5770) than the the newer 5850 cards, which would allows you a little more leeway in your other upgrades. ^Ignore this advice if you do a LOT of 3D modeling.^

    With the $100+ you'll save by not going so high end on your graphics card, it would allow you to get 8GB of RAM, which will give better performance in phototshop. Honestly looking at the difference in benchmarks between 4GB and 8GB of memory, I would hardly build a system for most any use (other than gaming) with less than 8GB of memory. If you'd like to see the benchmarks I'm speaking of, check here: http://blog.corsair.com/?p=65 and here for the video: http://blog.corsair.com/?p=124
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    , it would allow you to pic up a Kingston 40GB Boot Drive (newegg is out right now) like in our review here, or the 40GB Intel X25-V. Both of these drives are great as a boot drive, which will net you a huge performance gain, and are both around $120 -$130.

    Both of these options will give you better "real world" performance than a few frames per second on mid- or low-end games. And there won't be a noticeable difference in Photoshop either, and judging from your Avatar (which I'm assuming you made) the photoshop performance you'd gain with my suggestions would outweigh the gaming anyways.

    Let me know if you have any more questions, I'll be glad to help.
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    Yes, I think my comments were miscommunicated or misunderstood. Of those 3 memory kits you listed, you would have to go with OCZ because the other 2 are for Intel-based P55 systems. HOWEVER, you certainly do NOT need to go with OCZ for an AMD setup, there are plenty out there. The difference with the OCZ Black Edition is outlined in my review. But Shattered makes a great point, you should seriously consider getting some non-BE memory and then use the money for something better in your rig like an SSD. Hard drives are the slowest things in a system.

    The reality is the RAM will not give you a noticeable difference. Even the CPU won't at some point. The SSD will. I have a Core i7 overclocked to 4.5GHz and it will spank any AMD system out there, except when I boot to the Seagate hard drive compared to the Patriot SSD, I want to cry. Even an exceptionally fast CPU and RAM and highly overclocked is still held back by a lowly hard drive, even a Velociraptor for that matter. So as you can see, RAM won't make a difference. Drives will though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psykl0n View Post
    Hey, and welcome!

    You have a Black Edition CPU, you can OC it to 4.1 without touching the RAM, just go by the multiplier on the CPU. I am running that BE RAM, and i like it. of course, there is virtually no difference between it and the Mushkin kit I had before, except looser timings.

    now another question: do you want to OC the ram, or is your focus on OCing the cpu?

    I'm also planning to overclock my memory if there are any observable benefits to do so. I won't be interested in a 3% gain but much more in the 11% gain with the OCZ kit for example (with the assurance of a stable system).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shu View Post
    I'm also planning to overclock my memory if there are any observable benefits to do so. I won't be interested in a 3% gain but much more in the 11% gain with the OCZ kit for example (with the assurance of a stable system).
    the 11% gain in the OCZ review was a 11% gain in clock speed. you likely won't get any incredible, noticeable results out of overclocking ram. synthetic benchmarks scores will go up a little, but overall, you likely wont see a difference.

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    o i thought id add that if you do get RAM to OC, you cna also OC your HT link and Northbridge, all those combined should give even a little bit of a speed boost!

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    Once again thanks a lot for the time you all took to answer my questions! Your responses are very useful to me and I'll modify my build as you suggested!

    @ Skyguy: there was no miscommunication in your comments, I was simply wondering why you can't use the Kingston kit for example with an AMD build. You answered it by reminding me about the P55 based systems And of course I understood that I don't have to choose the OCZ kit and that I can use a non BE RAM

    @ shattered.likeness: I'm going to read the reviews about the SSD drives and buy one for sure. I'm just wondering about the storage size and it's compatibility with Windows 7. I'll probably try to add 4 Gb of RAM also.

    One more question according to your suggestions, looking at my build do you believe it is finally interesting for me to overclock my RAM? Or will it be a matter of few % without any substantial result?
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    Quote Originally Posted by psykl0n View Post
    o i thought id add that if you do get RAM to OC, you cna also OC your HT link and Northbridge, all those combined should give even a little bit of a speed boost!

    Oh yes I forgot about the HT and Northbridge! Thanks for this advice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shu View Post
    Once again thanks a lot for the time you all took to answer my questions! Your responses are very useful to me and I'll modify my build as you suggested!

    @ Skyguy: there was no miscommunication in your comments, I was simply wondering why you can't use the Kingston kit for example with an AMD build. You answered it by reminding me about the P55 based systems And of course I understood that I don't have to choose the OCZ kit and that I can use a non BE RAM

    @ shattered.likeness: I'm going to read the reviews about the SSD drives and buy one for sure. I'm just wondering about the storage size and it's compatibility with Windows 7. I'll probably try to add 4 Gb of RAM also.

    One more question according to your suggestions, looking at my build do you believe it is finally interesting for me to overclock my RAM? Or will it be a matter of few % without any substantial result?
    SSDs are great, that was a good suggestion! it will be interesting to OC the NB/HT/RAM, bragging rights alone would motivate me! i say go for it.

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    I suggest getting DDR3-1600 memory, but I run mine at 1333MHz instead. The AMD Phenom II's actually give better performance in "real world" apps, and in benchmarks at 1333 than they do at 1600.

    Run your memory at 1333MHz at lower timings (6-6-6-24) and your Norhtbridge at 2600 (or 2800 if you can). This will give you the overall best speeds in both benchmarks and in real world usage. Loosen the memory timings just a little if you need to reach 4 GHz, but with these settings, you shouldn't have any problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shattered.likeness View Post
    I suggest getting DDR3-1600 memory, but I run mine at 1333MHz instead. The AMD Phenom II's actually give better performance in "real world" apps, and in benchmarks at 1333 than they do at 1600.
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