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    Hi folks,

    Questions on Tri-channel RAM "upgrade"
    I currently have for RAM: 3.0GB HyperX PC3-11000 1375 MHz Low-Latency Tri-Channel 7-7-7-20
    with a i7 920 @ 3.66 MgHz
    on a P6T-DX-V2 Motherboard
    On XP 32bit (I think I can use 4GB RAM of a 6GB set)
    QUESTIONS
    1) Will I have to redo the OC settings if I go to a 6Gb set of RAM?

    2) If I upgrade to Win 7 what is my RAM limit?
    3) What is the best timing? 7-7-7-20, 9-9-9-27, X-X-X-Y or what? (I don't understand the differences)
    4) What is the max useable frequency I can use? 1375 MHz?
    5) I was thinking of geting a Kingston HyperX PC3-XXX 6GB set - any other brand suggestions?
    Kingston RAM selections http://www.kingston.com/hyperx/products/khx_ddr3.asp
    6) What realistic changes would this "upgrade" accomplish
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougofthenorth View Post
    QUESTIONS
    1) Will I have to redo the OC settings if I go to a 6Gb set of RAM?
    you might need to increase more voltage for CPU and QPI

    2) If I upgrade to Win 7 what is my RAM limit?
    whatever your mobo capacity and 32bit is 4Gb max but you won't see all of them, 64bit will support them all.

    3) What is the best timing? 7-7-7-20, 9-9-9-27, X-X-X-Y or what? (I don't understand the differences)
    lower numbers are better than high, we also call tight timing.

    4) What is the max useable frequency I can use? 1375 MHz?
    this is depend on the mobo and your OC, 1600Mhz is the sweet spot for 4Ghz, unless you are extreme OC then go with 2000Mhz modules if you can afford it.

    5) I was thinking of geting a Kingston HyperX PC3-XXX 6GB set - any other brand suggestions?
    Kingston RAM selections http://www.kingston.com/hyperx/products/khx_ddr3.asp
    Skyguy can answer this.
    I'm always use OZC or Corsair but there are ton good and afforable brands though.

    6) What realistic changes would this "upgrade" accomplish
    Very, as soon you pull the trigger.

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    Since Deton already gave his answers, all just add some additional details.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dougofthenorth View Post
    Hi folks,
    2) If I upgrade to Win 7 what is my RAM limit?
    There total addressable memory of Windows 7 depends on the version. Home Premium goes up to 16GB, and versions at Professional and above use 192GB

    There is an additional key point. This 4GB limit includes ALL system memory. Your quad-fired 4870 X2 - does that mean two 4870 X2s in Crossfire? If so, you actually have 7 GB of addressable memory currently - 3GB of system RAM and 4GB on your video cards. Going up to a 64-bit O/S is likely to make a huge difference in performance for you, even before you consider upgrading your RAM.

    3) What is the best timing? 7-7-7-20, 9-9-9-27, X-X-X-Y or what? (I don't understand the differences)

    1333Mhz at 7-7-7-24 is approximately equivalent to 1600Mhz at 9-9-9-27. Some RAM is spec'd for higher Mhz, some RAM is spec'd for tighter (lower) timings, and some can do both.

    5) I was thinking of geting a Kingston HyperX PC3-XXX 6GB set - any other brand suggestions?
    I'm not an expert on RAM for core i7 specifically, so I'll just talk about RAM brands in general. Crucial not only distributes their RAM but makes it themselves and they have an excellent warranty. Geil is a decent brand and so is G.Skill. Corsair, Mushkin and Patriot can be considered a little higher end as well. A-data is considered middle end, and Wintec is in the "cheap if you don't need speed" category.

    6) What realistic changes would this "upgrade" accomplish
    Going to a 64-bit OS? Big change, esp. to Windows 7 64-bit, even at 3GB of RAM.
    Going from 3GB to 6GB? Decent to excellent increase, depending on how much you multi-task and what program you use.

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    1st of all - thanks for your replies.

    RE: "Your quad-fired 4870 X2 - does that mean two 4870 X2s in Crossfire?
    -Yes

    RE: "1333Mhz at 7-7-7-24 is approximately equivalent to 1600Mhz at 9-9-9-27. Some RAM is spec'd for higher Mhz"
    - I was informed my MB (or CPU )can only support 1333 MHz

    RE: "Going to a 64-bit OS? Big change, esp. to Windows 7 64-bit, even at 3GB of RAM.
    Going from 3GB to 6GB? Decent to excellent increase, depending on how much you multi-task and what program you use."
    - I want to keep it compatible for all my games. This is primarily a gaming rig.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougofthenorth View Post

    - I was informed my MB (or CPU )can only support 1333 MHz...

    - I want to keep it compatible for all my games. This is primarily a gaming rig.
    it's not true, yes it's native support 1333Mhz but it's also support up to 2000Mhz OC mem. So technically you can use all these mem 1333/1600/1800/1866/2000Mhz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougofthenorth View Post
    1st of all - thanks for your replies.
    Thank you!

    - I was informed my MB (or CPU )can only support 1333 MHz

    Just to support what Deton is saying, look at the specs page from ASUS website.

    Quote Originally Posted by ASUS
    6 x DIMM, Max. 24 GB, DDR3 2000(O.C.)*/1866(O.C.)*/1800(O.C.)*/1600(O.C.)/1333/1066 Non-ECC,Un-buffered Memory
    People have run RAM in i7 systems as high as 2000Mhz (perhaps even higher), so you shouldn't worry about that at all. And you have a high-end board, so it should have plenty of memory dividers so that you can run your RAM at whatever speed you wish while your i7 remains overclocked to 3.66 Ghz (your current setting) or higher. Keeping it at stock 1375 MHz, 7/7/7/20 timings is just fine and will not slow down your system in any measurable way compared to overclocking your memory.

    - I want to keep it compatible for all my games. This is primarily a gaming rig.

    So when you say "keep it compatible for all my games" do you mean "I'd rather stick to a 32-bit O/S because I heard some of my games won't play in a 64-bit O/S?" Can you give me an example of some of the games you're concerned won't work in a 64-bit O/S? It's easy for me to research how compatible they are with Win 7 64-bit. In any case, compatibility should not be a major concern for you. Here's some points about game compatibility and Windows 7 64-bit:

    1) Windows 7 has a compatibility tab in the properties of the shortcut for every program. It can emulate Windows XP, Windows 2000, Windows 98, and even Windows 95.


    2) If your game is old that might not work. Windows 7 Professional (but
    not Home Premium) has, built-in, a virtual PC program that lets you boot a virtual "session" of Windows XP 32-bit. You can assign as much or as little RAM & hard drive space as you want to it, and install the game within that virtual XP. The core i7 has virtualization built-in to the CPU, so it'll be almost as fast as if it ran natively in Windows 7.

    3) If your game is even older (I'm talking about as old as Doom, or Tie Fighter or King's Quest), you can install a virtual session of DOS 6.22 and run the game from that.



    Also, going back to the topic of upgrading from 3GB to 6GB of RAM. You will literally gain
    zero from that upgrade if you stay with a 32-bit O/S. You're already at 7GB+ of memory (3GB of RAM + 4GB of video RAM + misc. system resources). Adding 3GB more RAM will just compound the problem as 4GB of memory is a hard limit in a 32-bit O/S. Feel free to read the link I posted earlier for more about this.

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    Eido - thanks again!

    Boy! was I ever misinformed by "experts" all over the place (not here) that I would not be able to play any of my 32 bit XP games using a 64 bit system.

    Further, that I may have great dffiiculty finding drivers for my software & hardware.

    I guess my 32 bit MS Office & other software is safe using the Virtual mode.

    Some had even told me I couldn't run a 64 bit OS as my i7 was a 32 bit model.

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    MS Office will be fine on a 64 OS no need for virtual box

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougofthenorth View Post
    Eido - thanks again!

    Boy! was I ever misinformed by "experts" all over the place (not here) that I would not be able to play any of my 32 bit XP games using a 64 bit system.

    Further, that I may have great dffiiculty finding drivers for my software & hardware.

    I guess my 32 bit MS Office & other software is safe using the Virtual mode.

    Some had even told me I couldn't run a 64 bit OS as my i7 was a 32 bit model.

    When I taught gov't workers for several years, I had an expression I used often;

    "Everyone knows every thing & when you really have to count on that information, it ususally turns out that noone knows anything!"
    Doug - here's a technical discussion of what's going on in Windows 64-bit when it installs 32-bit software. XPM (the virtual XP) is more of a last resort than an immediate solution.

    Also, here's the Windows 7 compatibility center, where you can search specific software for compatibility. Some games have updates that might be more recent than that page.

    Whoever told you that your processor is a 32-bit processor is wrong, plain and simple. Here are Intel's specs for the i7-920 and specs for the whole core i7 "family". Clearly, it's a 64-bit processor.

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    Office 2003?
    Office 2003 will work in Windows 7 64-bit, no problem, I have it installed myself. Microsoft would be insane not to support their own 32-bit software, as forcing corporations to upgrade to Office 2007 just so it will work with Windows 7 would be a...really bad move on MS's part.

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    Eido,

    Fantastic! - I can always leave the original XP drive loaded as is & pop it in if I have any issues with the Win 7 Pro OS loaded drive.

    Fortunately, I have swapable HDD caddies & trays - so I can just switch them as & when I need them.
    I use a dedicated Game drive & a separate dedicated "Work" drive
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougofthenorth View Post
    Eido,

    Fantastic! - I can always leave the original XP drive loaded as is & pop it in if I have any issues with the Win 7 Pro OS load

    Fortunately, I have swapable HDD caddies & trays - so I can just switch them as & when I need them.
    I use a dedicated Game drive & a separate dedicated "Work" drive
    You don't even need to remove the drive. You can set up a dual-boot, to chose windows xp or windows 7 on each bootup. Alternatively, you can go into the BIOS and switch which drive boots first whenever you want to switch from one to the other.

    If you're a student BTW, there's a big discount on win 7 64-bit pro. If you're gonna buy multiple copies or have friends who are gonna buy at the same time, you can get a $200 technet subscription. I can go into more detail on other option if either pertain to you. Otherwise, OEM copy (perhaps with a discount from a combo deal) from Newegg is the next cheapest option.

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    I prefer the separate demountable drives option just in case the HDD pooches
    I use Ghost to image 1 drive to the other, then customize them to my needs.

    I have several reduncancies for Ghost backup images & keep files on a dedicated slave backup drive.

    I am on a 2-way satellite inet connection (no other choice) so loosing data is not an option I can accept.

    Any PC's/laptop formatting would have to be brought to another location with proper inet bandwidth & capacity.

    With ther OS loads I run & with updates it takes about 16 hours to do a cold reformat & re-install.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougofthenorth View Post
    With ther OS loads I run & with updates it takes about 16 hours to do a cold reformat & re-install.
    16 hours - what is causing that? Windows updates can be downloaded and stored manually. And restoring from an image shouldn't take anywhere near that long. Have you considered using a SSD as a boot/programs drive, or given your chosen schema - 2x SSDs (one for win7 and one for XP)?

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    RE: " 16 hours"
    -That is starting from scratch & installing all the software & all the updates for all the different software I have.
    - But I cannot do it here at my place (Sat is 350 Mgs/day limit @ ~120 Kbs speed) $100/mth
    -My Bell 3G turbo stick has a 500Mg/month limit @ 200 Kbs speed. $45/mth

    Ghost imaging takes 10--23 minutes depending on the HDD load. (My game drive is 100Gigs)

    I have taken the PC into the local store (600Kbs) & it is a 12 hour job, loading the OS, CD's drivers, & peripherial hardwares' software. For my Work drive not game drive.

    The town near where I am located is rather primative with respect to inet speeds - no T3 or anything even near that. I think 1 or 2 Mbs is the max available. I don't know anyone with that.

    SSD's
    - I will do when write speeds (poor when I last checked) are acceptable & prices become more reasonalble.

    RE: "Windows updates can be downloaded and stored manually"
    - not for the open browser updates..

    EDIT _ removing & putting in a new drive takes 10 seconds
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