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    not much about a monitor makes overclockers excited ill admit , the only thing that i look at when buying one is size and connections and maybe response times but one of the things that confuses me is gamers that still use there old heavy crt monitor because they say tft's cant compete ....the idea behind it is that apparently the colours and lines will be much sharper and more defined on a crt ....personally i dont belive it but who knows im wrong 99% of the time can anyone here tell me the truth of the matter ? what do you guys think..and alos what do you use crt or tft.

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    dunno who thinks crt is better, but i think they would say conroe is bad too ^^
    i always wanted a flat display and it rocks, also they are better when someone buys a bigone like a 30" dell. in crt that could really get on ones health, the electrons which could get through the glass are very unhealthy
    colours, blah how cares, cant say i saw anything which would suggest my old flatron crt was better

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    yeah i think its wrong aswell , if there was an actual noticeable difference then it would be common knowledge surely ? custom pc magazine did an artcile on this infact and say there is actually a differnece in colour quality its issue 35 if anyone reads it

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    a year ago it was true, but TFTs and all the ghosting issues are almost gone now. A good TFT will do a fine job in games these days. On top of this you cannot buy a decent CRT anymore, they're all inferior to the quality they were say, two years ago. If you're buying new you've got no real choice but to go for a TFT if your looking for quality.

    We've got a roundup coming soon between the Dell 2007 Widescreen and Viewsonic VX2025WM, it should be good! could be 2-3 weeks away though.

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    Im on CRT till the end of the year, I am on CRT on all of my computers and I like them a lot, there is no MS wait time on CRT's although you have the blasted Refresh rate which nVidia has got rid of and you have to code the reg in to get Refresh Ride Override again.

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    Whats the difference between LCD and TFT
    They both use ms response
    They both ghost
    They both are thin and flat

    Im using LCD and have no problem with its gaming. However i started out using a phillips and at high resolutoins i found it blurry and it had diagonal lines running down the screen, so i swapped it for a LG (which i have heard are crap) but its great, it handles high resolution really well. But it suffers from really bad ghosting when i watch tv on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciro View Post
    Whats the difference between LCD and TFT
    They both use ms response
    They both ghost
    They both are thin and flat

    Im using LCD and have no problem with its gaming. However i started out using a phillips and at high resolutoins i found it blurry and it had diagonal lines running down the screen, so i swapped it for a LG (which i have heard are crap) but its great, it handles high resolution really well. But it suffers from really bad ghosting when i watch tv on it.
    LCD and TFT are the same, just differant names I think, although I could be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciro View Post
    Im using LCD and have no problem with its gaming. However i started out using a phillips and at high resolutoins i found it blurry and it had diagonal lines running down the screen, so i swapped it for a LG (which i have heard are crap) but its great, it handles high resolution really well. But it suffers from really bad ghosting when i watch tv on it.
    LCD's run in a native resolution and changing out of this res to another (higher or lower) will always degrade its quality. You should run at it's native, but i realize this isn't always possible for everyone.

    I'll copy a reply i got from Simon regarding LCD's too. Simon is the panels reviewer here at Pureoverclock and he's working on his first review as we speak.

    My questiopn was: If someone is looking for 100fps in a game but they have a tft, is it a pointless target? I have a feeling that though TFT’s don’t have a refresh rate, they cannot handle more than 60 or 75 fps?

    Regarding the fps, if you need to see 100fps then maybe a TFT isn't for you (or whoever is asking that is). Because the operating vertical frequency of TFT's is 60Hz you would find that any graphics card trying to show more than this would result in tearing. If you enable vsync to stop this you're then limiting yourself to the refresh rate of the graphics card which would be 60Hz normally, or 75Hz if you push it to the maximum. One thing to note is that manufacturers all recommend the optimum refresh rate of 60Hz since this is the frequency that the interface chip and panel operate at. 75Hz can be used and for people with vysnc needed, it's a good way of squeezing a few more fps out. However, running at 75Hz can have drawbacks, most notably in the control of any overdrive application used. So running at a higher refresh might give you a few more fps when using vsync, but at the cost of actual pixel responsiveness. One other thing to note in this regard is that to actually see 100 fps on a TFT you would need a response time across all transitions of 10ms. This is only actually achiveable on a a few screens, but you;'re still limited by refresh rate. Not to mention if you push refresh rate up to 75Hz you will probably affect the overdrive which is used to achieve anywhere near 10ms g2g and adversely affect response time. Anyway, hope you see what i mean there. I suppose tripple buffering technology might be a way round it, but does someone really need 100fps? I'd question that really, maybe a smoother and more frequent 75fps would be just as good.

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    Default TFT but..

    TFT is much better, I have two; 17" LG and 19" Samsung.

    There is defintitely a difference, mainly in contrast (this was mentioned in Custom PC too). I play a lot of BF2 and if I'm flying the contrast is so low that I lose my HUD against the sky. If I adjust the contrast I can't see too weel in shadowy areas. I think this is helped if the game has gamma correction, BF2 doesn't (why?), it was a help with HL2/E1 HDR rendering.

    One other downside, games look so much better at native resolution but that pushes your hardware that bit further just to display an image before turning on the fancy stuff. I'm quite happy with 1024 res on a CRT but not on a 1280 res TFT.

    Nothing's ever perfect, and even if it was they'd upgrade it 6 months later...

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    CRT's colours are still a billion times better, and if it wasn't for the horrible colouration you get on the larger screens I'd still use one, I can't stand the 16 bit colours on LCD's

    the new screens technology's they're working on are pretty nice though..SED and so forth

    it's a shame your so biased to LCD at the moment, you should really take a break from your current screens and use a 19" flat CRT for a while it really brings games back to life and movies are a whole world better without the visible changes between colours
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    i've never used an LCD, i've got a Mitsubishi 750 SB CRT. I'm in the market for a 20" LCD so i'll be sure to let you all know my thoughts about gaming etc when i get it, as i have no idea what to expect other than what other people have said (about LCD's handling games etc quite well thesedays).

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    My reccomendation on 20".

    Viewsonic VX2025WM 20.1 Widescreen ^__^ Thats what i purchased for my Nvida/AMD rig last week.

    I run their 23" with my ATI gaming rig

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    For me, yes CRT's are better for gaming if you game a lot, but the differences are not that big IMHO, the color gamut on most LCD's/TFT's is inferior to CRT's. I own the premiere "gamer" LCD display by samsung and also other LCD's by them as well.. I've noticed a few things with the LCD's that I've used...

    1) They are brighter then CRT's and can be hard on the eyes if you like maximum brightness

    2) Text and some other things look awful on LCD displays, even at native/high resolution, be sure to enable "cleartype", google it.

    3) Brightness across an LCD will not stay uniform overtime, if you have good eyes this may annoy the living crap out of you.

    4) The color black is rarely ever black, it's more like a darkish grey

    While CRT's are bulky, they are still damn good displays, and many places are dumping them for cheap. If I was in the market for a new monitor I'd want to pick up the last of the good 22-21" CRT's.

    Don't get me wrong I like LCD displays but over-all LCD's still have yet to match CRT's in some areas, I do digital photography so I can notice a lot of difference between LCD and CRT because I've developed a good eye as an amateur photographer over time.

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    Right now, I have a 19" Dell LCD, an older one from 2001. I also have a 20" Dell CRT (Not flat screen) . I prefer the CRT. At my job, they have a 24" Dell CRT (flat screen) (Gigantic in both weight and width) sitting waiting for someone to take it. It is however on the 9th floor, I don't know if I will be able to hold it in the elevator for that long. Should I go for it?

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    i have the new samsung 226bw lcd screen and i must say it looks amazing picture wise.the one i saw in the shop stood out amongst all other screens colour and contrast wise and also has a fast 2ms g2g response time. so i guess its just a case of making sure you know what to look for and have a look at the screens first.mine wasn't the dearest there but it was by far the best looking.iv also had no ghosting problems but iv had a few dead pixels which with a bit of a rub with a cloth have gone back to normal.
    I think its really the same as with any other pc part, you get what you pay for if you buy an inferior crt then it will be worse than an lcd overall but if you get a good quality lcd im sure there will be many plusses over a crt (one being space as i would not want this 22" as a crt)

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    ya my brother just picked up a samsung 225ms its got 2ms responce time aswell and it has hdmi capabilities. its a very nice screen and it preforms extremly well.

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