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    I have a fx4600 graphics card. I love the card all though I do not do professional rendering or graphics animation. Actually, i use it for little graphics with vector works, or other cad programs, photoshop ect. I game it more than anything. I have some concerns about my computer and graphics card, relating to the purchase of a new monitor. I will state my setup config as follows

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    Graphics: Quadro fx 4600 oced @ 675/900/1400

    all on air cooling, wiht added fans. my temo are usually around 70-80* for gpu and 50-60* for cpu.


    I need a new monitor. My current monitor is a old samsung crt 17 inch, which looks great, but is small. I use XP PRO and am limited to dx 9 capabilities.

    I want a lcd 1080p monitor or tv. I want one monitor. I want the monitor or tv to handle everything, meaning, watching movies, surfing the net, playing with modula8, vector works, autocad, maya, and other photshop ect programs. also mostly, I play EVE ONLINE. Please google eve to see what its about if interested.
    I play other games such as battlefield 2142, want to play bf3, crysis, and other new dx 11 games as i get a new computer and graphics card such as a Fermi.

    But for now, i want a monitor i can use now and later when i upgrade the computer and gpu to a dedicated gaming card. I am interested in the Gigabyte x58 extreme mobo, with a i7-930.

    I dont know much about matching a monitor to my current setup. theres soo much to learn I dont have the time atm to research for months and months. Im a new father and have many other priorities. but us as a family would love something under 700 bucks more near 4-500 if possible. something that the whole family can use for a few years. my fiance is an artist as i am. we both game and play on the computer together.

    I was impressed with the hanns g 28 inch monitor. great price imo... but ive read some reviews and have begun to second guess. so, i was turned on by an individual that uses a samsung 32 inch lcd 1080p tv for his monitor. its apx 5-700 dollars.

    i know the fx4600 native resolutions should be and i quote "Dual integrated display controllers supporting up to 2560x1600 @ 60Hz (both analog and digital) on
    both displays." from this resource http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quicksp...v/12708_div.PDF

    But i dont need two monitors. I want one actually. not soo big, but a big one. I need some professional opinions. If im overclocking too high, or that will fail my card when connected to a bigger monitor please let me know. Im a complete noob to Ocing. Id rather not buy a new computer and gpu at this time. But if thats my best option then please be honest. I have little funds. the pc i have now was a trade for a laptop. I would sell the current computer and gpu for help buying a new one. I want a monitor i can use now, with this computer setup, and with a future setup... I dont know much about hdtv, hdmi, or the differences. as what ive read so far, theres soo much to read to understand it all and how it effects one another.


    These are the links monitors or tvs im interested in. but im not sure if they will suit my computers needs and demands with out risking a failure. would you all please share your thoughts and opinions? i would greatly appreciate your time and effort spent in helping me out. thank you in advance!

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16824254043

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...5-127-_-Product

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...6-125-_-Product

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...6-080-_-Product

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...0-009-_-Product

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...2-027-_-Product

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...5-063-_-Product

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...2-013-_-Product

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...3-227-_-Product

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...3-222-_-Product

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...7-016-_-Product

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...-133R-_-Product

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...1-228-_-Product
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    ouch really?

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    Nex, I think your post just fell through the cracks. It happens.

    To address your post, I have a few comments:

    -there is potentially a BIG difference between a monitor and a TV. I think you really need to decide which you want/need. Considering you're talking about CAD, Maya, etc........I would suggest a monitor. You can always add a TV Tuner card later if you're really interested in watching TV. But a regular monitor will play movies so no worries there. Only thing is a 1080p should really use a Blu-Ray drive otherwise your movie will look pixelated on your screen.

    -next, you need to decide what is most important to you......CAD, Photoshop, Maya, etc.......or movies and gaming. Reason I say this is because this will determine what your product pros/cons/limitations are, as well as your budget. A TN panel is great for gaming but crappy for pro art work. A PVA panel is a good compromise. But an IPS panel is what you want for pro art work, but don't expect high performance gaming on it because the response time is SLOW by comparison to a TN panel.

    My suggestion? Get an IPS panel. If your wife and you are artists, then don't settle for anything less. Your monitor will outlast your system or three, so get something GOOD. Don't bother with a TV, it's a crappy compromise. Get an exclusive-use monitor and then you have the option of TV with a tuner card. Better for your needs I think.

    Next.......size, resolution, and budget. A 24" 1920x1200 @ 16:10 aspect ratio will offer more visual real estate than a 1920x1050 @ 16:9 aspect. 16:9 is native for widescreen movies, but again, your primary interest here is not watching movies. Get a 1920x1200 or even consider moving up to 2560x1600 @ 30". Now THAT is a dream monitor, trust me.

    Lastly, input connectors. Most higher-end screens come standard with DVI and HDMI. IF.......and this is a very big IF......you can find one with DisplayPort then that is a bonus. DVI is fine for regular computer use, HDMI is recommended for hi-def movies and such.

    So........in my opinion, you are looking for a 24-30" IPS Panel with a good range of connectors. Chances are the 30" will be out of your budget range, so a 24 or 28" @ 1920x1200 is probably your best bet.




    My Suggestion?

    Look at the HP2475. My buddy is a professional graphic designer/animator and he has 2 of these. OUTSTANDING. I highly recommend one of these, it's probably your BEST option to suit your needs and budget.
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    I cant afford that monitor you mentioned, the HP2475, though I get your point. It is a nice looking monitor as well.

    Types of LCD panels:

    The TN (twisted nematic) display is the most common consumer display type, due to its low production cost and wide development. The pixel response time on modern TN panels is sufficiently fast to most users ; this fast response time has been a heavily marketed aspect of TN displays, although in most cases this number does not reflect performance across the entire range of possible color transitions.


    Modern use of technologies has allowed manufacturers to significantly reduce grey to grey (G2G) transitions. Response times are now quoted in G2G figures; with 4ms and 2ms now being commonplace for TN based models. This marketing strategy, combined with the relatively lower cost of production for TN panels, has led to the dominance of TN in the consumer market.


    However, color reproduction and linearity on TN panels is poor. The TN display suffers from limited viewing angles, especially in the vertical direction, and most are unable to display the full 16.7 million colors (24-bit truecolor) available from modern graphics cards. These particular panels, with 6 bits per color channel as opposed to 8, can approach 24-bit color using a dithering method which combines adjacent pixels to simulate the desired shade.


    As a result, TN panels can’t be used efficiently for photo work (photos display and manipulation).


    IPS
    IPS (in-plane switching) was developed by Hitachi in 1996 to improve on the poor viewing angles and color reproduction of TN panels. Most also support true 8-bit color. These improvements came at a loss of response time, which was initially on the order of 50ms. IPS panels were also extremely expensive.


    IPS has since been superseded by S-IPS (Super-IPS, Hitachi in 1998), which has all the benefits of IPS technology with the addition of improved pixel refresh timing. Though color reproduction approaches that of CRTs, the contrast ratio remains relatively weak. LG and Philips remain one of the main manufacturers of S-IPS based panels.


    MVA
    MVA (multi-domain vertical alignment) was originally developed in 1998 by Fujitsu as a compromise between TN and IPS. It achieved fast pixel response, wide viewing angles and high contrast at the cost of brightness and color reproduction. Modern MVA panels can offer wide viewing angles (second only to S-IPS technology), good black depth, good color reproduction and depth, and fast response times.

    PVA
    PVA (patterned vertical alignment) and S-PVA (super patterned vertical alignment) offers similar features to MVA, but boasts very high contrast ratios such as 3000:1. S-PVA panels all use at least true 8-bit color electronics and do not use any color simulation methods. S-PVA panels offered by Eizo (at least newer ones) use even 10-bit color internally, which enables gamma and other corrections without banding. PVA and S-PVA can offer good black depth, wide viewing angles and S-PVA can offer additionally fast response times thanks to modern RTC technologies.


    I think the pva panel is what we want to be honest.

    I have to ask, how much of a difference is a 1920x1080 compared to a 1920x1200 resolution?
    I like these monitors but would like your opinions if any about them:

    http://www.techforless.com/cgi-bin/t...4Lf3&mv_pc=402

    http://www.google.com/images?q=Samsu...rt=220&ndsp=20

    http://www.techforless.com/cgi-bin/t...60HD#over_spec

    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...71370&csid=_21

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824254043

    the t260 and t260hd are my prime choice and I really want a monitor the size of the p2770h. though that monitor isn't 1920x1600...

    We are not professional artists. but would enjoy a nice monitor to use as a tv as well, and I do game alot. and am looking to upgrade rig as well, also buyin a xbox to play a future game releasing on counsel only, relating to a PC game I play, eve online, and dust 514. thanks again for your time, sorry I know threads get skipped over its no big deal. ty again guys.

    and one last question, whats a tft panel? active matrix tft? and is that good?
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    Dell puts out two budget IPS-based displays

    Dell has quietly added a pair of LCDs to its lineup that get the mainstream using color-accurate displays. The 21.5-inch U2211H and 23-inch U2311H both output at 1080p using higher-quality IPS (in-plane switching) panels.
    http://www.electronista.com/articles...1h.and.u2311h/

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    Well I would personally go with 1920x1200. I honestly cannot see the appeal of 1920x1080 except for price. Of all those, I would go for the T260HD if it were up to me. The others might be a bit larger (27") but keep in mind they're not higher resolution. So the clarity won't be the same, it's not better definition, just enlarged. If you're coming from a smaller monitor then it'll seem huge by comparison to be honest.

    Lastly, for your price range I doubt you'll get a PVA panel. Looks like your budget will only support TFT panels. Good for all around use and a good price, but compromises other features and image quality as a result. IPS is certainly out of your budget, but looks like PVA is as well, and definitely not a 27". You might get lucky with a used 24" PVA though, something to consider.

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    ok Im thinking on going with this one.

    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...71370&csid=_21

    1920x1200 26 inch. that will be more than enough I think. I will be huge in comparison. Plus its not too expensive, the next paycheck I can get another one...
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    looks good

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    Ok, So it will be here Thursday!! I cant wait. This is the start of a really nice home machine for us all to enjoy. I think the next thing to get will be the new mobo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whenyournex2me View Post
    I play EVE ONLINE
    So do I! I've been playing since November last year. For all of its faults, I think it is the best MMORPG ever invented. I have two accounts actually - Valdis Magnusdottir and Anvindr Magnusson. Hit me up on either whenever you like.

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    ok Im thinking on going with this one.

    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...71370&csid=_21

    1920x1200 26 inch. that will be more than enough I think. I will be huge in comparison. Plus its not too expensive, the next paycheck I can get another one...
    Congratss and enjoy!! I just recently bought two VH266Hs and I love them! For accurate graphics work, you will need to do some fine tuning, as some of them are horribly calibrated by the factory and look great after calibration. You might even need to invest in a hardware calibrator like a Spyder 2 Pro, or similar, but this is not so necessary with only a single monitor. There is a great website to do some basic testing called Lagom. Also, the "calibrate color" feature in Windows 7 display settings does a good job. However, when you get a 2nd one - two important points. 1) Do not use VGA on one and DVI/HDMI on the other; I noticed a tonal difference (esp. in EVE - definitely noticed it in stations) between the two monitors. This was mostly corrected by having digital connectors on both monitors. 2) Since this monitor is a TN (albeit a good TN), if you go with two monitors and intend on doing CAD/graphics design/Maya you will absolutely need to get a good hardware calibrator or you will go crazy comparing results between the two screens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eido.cohen View Post
    So do I! I've been playing since November last year. For all of its faults, I think it is the best MMORPG ever invented. I have two accounts actually - Valdis Magnusdottir and Anvindr Magnusson. Hit me up on either whenever you like.
    Sweet! Eve is fun. My characters names Gruntlife and Local 81. Mining and pve mostly. I Started playing late of 09. Im hooked, and will never stop playing Im sure, its perfect for me.


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    Congratss and enjoy!! I just recently bought two VH266Hs and I love them! For accurate graphics work, you will need to do some fine tuning, as some of them are horribly calibrated by the factory and look great after calibration. You might even need to invest in a hardware calibrator like a Spyder 2 Pro, or similar, but this is not so necessary with only a single monitor. There is a great website to do some basic testing called Lagom. Also, the "calibrate color" feature in Windows 7 display settings does a good job. However, when you get a 2nd one - two important points. 1) Do not use VGA on one and DVI/HDMI on the other; I noticed a tonal difference (esp. in EVE - definitely noticed it in stations) between the two monitors. This was mostly corrected by having digital connectors on both monitors. 2) Since this monitor is a TN (albeit a good TN), if you go with two monitors and intend on doing CAD/graphics design/Maya you will absolutely need to get a good hardware calibrator or you will go crazy comparing results between the two screens.
    Right - o. I will get it adjusted asap. Its home now and working and Im very impressed! Watching movies from netflix os great, though I see alot of tearing... Gaming is much better now, In eve, I feel like Im really there. I can only imagine what two or three must be like! lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by whenyournex2me View Post
    Sweet! Eve is fun. My characters names Gruntlife and Local 81. Mining and pve mostly. I Started playing late of 09. Im hooked, and will never stop playing Im sure, its perfect for me.
    Just added you to my contacts in-game. I love EVE gate! I wonder how many e-mails of yours Local81 (no space in the name) gets by mistake... LOL!




    Right - o. I will get it adjusted asap. Its home now and working and Im very impressed! Watching movies from netflix os great, though I see alot of tearing... Gaming is much better now, In eve, I feel like Im really there. I can only imagine what two or three must be like! lol [/quote]

    I'm going to do dual logging PvP soon in the next couple of days... having one character spy for me in a CovOps while the other is in a combat ship is gonna be awesome! I've already done dual logged missions, but alt-tabbing was really a bitch, so I look forward to having both screens active at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eido.cohen View Post
    I'm going to do dual logging PvP soon in the next couple of days... having one character spy for me in a CovOps while the other is in a combat ship is gonna be awesome! I've already done dual logged missions, but alt-tabbing was really a bitch, so I look forward to having both screens active at the same time.
    Dual boxing must be fun!
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    Yeah, potentially... LOL. My crappy "free" Comcast router has iffy wireless and/or issues beyond that. When I have a chance, I'm going to run a cable drop and try it hard-wired, or failing that, replace the router. It would be no fun to lose a 100 mil ISK+ ship + get podded because my line disconnected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eido.cohen View Post
    Yeah, potentially... LOL. My crappy "free" Comcast router has iffy wireless and/or issues beyond that. When I have a chance, I'm going to run a cable drop and try it hard-wired, or failing that, replace the router. It would be no fun to lose a 100 mil ISK+ ship + get podded because my line disconnected.
    oh yeah, I know that... I have had my computer dc a few times....

    Just this week, I was in a fleet, and we bridged into null sec for a hot drop, but when I got there I saw a massive artifact in the space, and I couldn't see anyone, hear anything, and then my screen went black,. I was upset, but held my composure and re logged, and I just had to get escorted out. I apparently have a habit of bridging when the cyno is going down and I get dropped off in the middle of nowhere alot. Since then, I replaced the on-board Ethernet card with a pci slot card, and no more dc's for me since.
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