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    Default Windows XP forces reboot during games ?!!

    I?ve had this problem for months now and have reached the stage where I don?t know what to try next.
    I have a fairly old system (see my specs) but it still seems to manage to deal with everything I throw at it.
    The problem is, whenever I try to play a game, be it Battlefield 2 or a low graphics intensive game like Lego for my kids, Windows forces a reboot after about ten minutes. No warning, great frame rates, fluid movement and then suddenly !!.... black screen and reboot. Windows then informs me that a serious problem had occured and the cpmputer had to be started anew..
    I have reinstalled XP from scratch, installed and updated every driver, the programmes Everest diagnostics and Tune Up Utilities tell me that everything is working great, which it is until I play a game for more than 10 minutes....
    Has anybody got any idea what could be happening here ?.......please !
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    if its an old system i'd first check if nothing is overheating, clean out the vga's fan, it might be choaking on too much dust, same goes for the cpu cooler. i'd recomend using some app to monitor temps like ati tray tools, which has on screen display so you can see the temps while ingame (if you dont mind the fuss thatis).

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    Hi romeozor, thanks for getting back to me.
    I downloaded the ati tool you recommended and ran it as you suggested.
    About the dust maybe clogging something, I thoroughly cleaned everything including the fans, a couple of weeks ago and it sadly didn?t help.
    I ran Everest Diagnostics with no extra apllications running (apart from the ever present virus scanner) and here are the results. Maybe they mean something to you.
    Motherboard : 38 C
    CPU : 39 C
    GPU : 56 C
    GPU area : 51 C
    Hard drive : 39 C
    I used the ati tool you suggested while running a game called Zoo Tycoon 2 and had some very interesting results. The game started and stayed at a constant 59-60 C until I started actually playing. The more I played and the higher resolution settings I used, the lower the temperatures became until (highlighted in red !) the numbers were constantly between 2 and 8 C !!!! - I don?t understand how the temperature could get so low ?. The automatic reboot probably occurs when the number drops below 0 C ? .........If any of this makes sense to you I?d be grateful if you?d let me know. Thanks.
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    Hi romeozor,
    I?ve just used the ATI Tooltray tool again as an experiment while (attempting to ) play the very graphics intensive game Battlefield 2.
    When the game is loading the temperature is in red and runs between 1 and 3 C, and when the game is running it shoots up to 98 - 100C in yellow before the system forces a reeboot. Are these figures actual GPU temperatures, and what do the red and yellow colour coding mean, good or bad ?
    Just before the expected reboot, Everest Diagnostics gave me this info : GPU - 60 C Mainboard - 44 C CPU 43 C - and Hard drive 42 C.
    I hope that this all means something to you or anyone else who reads this...........
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    Looks like your grfx card is overheating. 98 - 100C seems high to me you could try pointing an external fan at your grfx card while playing a game and see if this helps keep the temps down. If this helps id suggest your stock cooler on your grfx card isnt up to the job anymore. If this is the case youl have to replace it with another GPU cooler. Zalman do a good range at affordable prices.

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    Thanks for your reply Wayne.
    If the ATI Tray tool was consistently showing overheating I could do something about it, the problem is, with some games the temperature ? drops to under 5 ! - that?s what I don?t understand. A GPU can?t run at 3 or 5 degrees C can it ?
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    nope. so you turned on on screen display in ATT and you see the gpu running around 100C while ingame. is the fan on the vga spinning (relatively fast)?

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    My card is a modded (Madmox) X850 pro with an oversized fan which is much quieter and has fewer rpms than a "normal", but loud fan.
    I?ve just taken the side panels off my pc and checked if the card fan is really still running and it is.
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    I?ve just been crawling on my belly and using a high powered torch to check all the fans while the system is running.
    They?re all working their little hearts out but do appear (oops !) to be pretty much caked with dust. Tomorrow I?ll attack them with a cloth and a hoover. Would the dust explain the wierd readings from the ATI Tool, which doesn?t show increases and decreases in temperature but JUMPS ! between 8 and 75 and then from 90 down to 3 and then up again to 80c ???

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    Id advise giving your system a real good clean but would suggest not using a hoover. Invest in a can of compressed air. Also if your sure you know what your doing try stripping your pc down before cleaning, and pay paticular attention to the fans.

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    I?ve just stripped the system and thoroughly cleaned it. I then ran Battlefield 2 whist checking the temps on the ATI Tool. Everything ran at a constant 45 - 55 C which was great.
    Until without warning, black screen and back to Windows again.
    I?m going to throw it into the river...........................
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    Can understand your frustration but dont throw in the towel yet. If you can get your hands on a spare grfx card just to try out and see if this gets rid of the problem. Also give all the connections on the grfx card a check to see if there all ok you never know. If trying another grfx card solves the problem then you know you either need a new GPU fan or a whole new grfx card.

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    Thanks for your reply Wayne.
    I haven?t thrown my pc into the river yet, but it came pretty close !.
    About my graphics card : When I bought the card I had to go to to my local computer shop for help as a) it was huge and needed modifying to fit in the case (takes up two slots with it?s size), and b) it set off a very loud CPU alarm ! - the guy in the shop said the card was working ok and I could just turn the alarm off in the BIOS menu, which I did then and everytime after a new XP installation.
    You said that I should check the connections on the card carefully - the only ones I can see are the AGP slot, where it?s sitting securely, the power slot which is also ok, and another smaller connection on the card which sits next to the power connection (no idea what it?s for...) which I?ve never plugged in (wouldn?t know what to !) because the same bloke in the computer shop said that it wasn?t necessary ??.
    It?s a good idea to borrow a card from someone, but everyone I know has shiny new PCI cards..........
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    PSU could be the culprit here. No crashes at normal computing but crashes at heavyly games? Yep! Defective power supplier.

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    Thanks for your help Deton.
    Is there any way that I can check the PSU myself, especially when it?s being put under pressure (games etc.) ?
    I?m trying to avoid taking my pc to the local computer shop because they?re rip off merchants and will probably charge me more than the computer is worth, tell me I have to change this and that , pay VAT etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arriach View Post
    Thanks for your help Deton.
    Is there any way that I can check the PSU myself, especially when it´s being put under pressure (games etc.) ?
    I´m trying to avoid taking my pc to the local computer shop because they´re rip off merchants and will probably charge me more than the computer is worth, tell me I have to change this and that , pay VAT etc.
    I agree! It's not worth to take it to a shop for this and I don't think it worth it either to purchase a PSU tester. Because it cost the same as a brand new 500W PSU. It's cost about $50 - $100 US. This is a link to one of a good tester http://www.extech.com/instrument/products/alpha/MN26.html and read this article http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/display/psu-methodology.html before you decide to do the testing by yourself.

    If you plan to use this computer to the end of it's life or let you kid use it . My advise is to purchase a new reputable (Antec, Cooler Master, Ultra, PCPower, ThermalTake, Enermax, etc.) 500W PSU. Check the price at your local computer stores.

    You can replace the PSU by yourself, you don't have to take it to the shop.
    1). Turn the computer OFF
    2). Turn the PSU switch to OFF position and unplug the power cord.
    3). Disconect all the connections and remove the PSU
    Do Not touch the inside of the PSU or the cable's connectors. It's still dealy event the power switch is off.
    4). Install new PSU and plug in all the cables to MOBO and the devices

    That's it.

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