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    Default Kaspersky Labs Developing Secure OS

    Hi Guys

    Kaspersky Labs is developing their own secure OS, here's the link:

    Kaspersky Lab Developing 'Secure' Operating System | News & Opinion | PCMag.com

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    Default Re: Kaspersky Labs Developing Secure OS

    Isn't this mainly for command and control systems?
    It's a great idea though,........

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    Default Re: Kaspersky Labs Developing Secure OS

    Simply unplugging the control systems from the internet (or restricting it to internal VPN access) is also a good idea that has so far eluded people.

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    Default Re: Kaspersky Labs Developing Secure OS

    Onsite control is always best, but not always doable either.
    Some say that a totally secure OS is a pipe dream, but there are already a few that are better than others.
    I wish them luck with this.

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    Default Re: Kaspersky Labs Developing Secure OS

    Quote Originally Posted by realneil View Post
    Onsite control is always best, but not always doable either.
    Some say that a totally secure OS is a pipe dream, but there are already a few that are better than others.
    I wish them luck with this.
    A totally secure system with such a level of complexity is an impossibility. That is simply a fact.

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    Default Re: Kaspersky Labs Developing Secure OS

    Maybe they're using the "KISS" philosophy while designing this new OS.

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    Default Re: Kaspersky Labs Developing Secure OS

    Even in a fairly simple OS there are quite literally MILLIONS of lines of code. The reality of commercial development (deadlines, budgets and working with the staff you can get rather than the ones you really want) mean that pre-written code blocks are used and re-used. On top of that there are issues that only become evident to those few people who are conversant not just in C/C++/C# etc but well versed in Assembly language and memory architecture. Even the strictest quality assurance has to work with time schedules and the automated tools, while good, aren't perfect and can't begin to approach the lateral thinking abilities of a human that genuinely knows their shyte and is mildly creative.
    On the other side of the DMZ are highly educated and skilled graduates, sponsored through their entire education by organized crime groups, whose job it is to do nothing all day but dig through line after line of code, reverse engineer binaries and hammer away at every possible attack tool looking for a way to make the system bleed. It's not a matter of "if" they will find something, it's only a matter of "when" and "how bad". Even disconnecting a system from the internet is no guarantee. Take Stuxnet for example. It exploited vulnerabilities in Siemens Programmable Logic Controller systems with the goal of attacking specific hardware and interrupting Iran's nuclear weapons programme and managed to do a good job even though those controllers had quite literally no internet connection. All it took was one human to insert a USB key into the right terminal and it was done.
    "Social Engineering", as it's referred to, is the primary attack vector in the majority of cases. Preventing the human operators from compromising the system is way harder than would imagine, and that's just considering the accidental breaches. Designing an OS to be resistant to DELIBERATE interference by the operator is damn near impossible.
    When I was building and programming industrial control systems I gave up on trying to make things "idiot proof", all that achieves is the creation of better idiots. Instead I tried to make my control systems "idiot tolerant", meaning they would let the idiot do what they were going to do and anticipate, compensate, mitigate or generally ignore it and only respond to valid input at any given time.
    Kasperski REALLY has a job ahead of them with this.

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