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    Default Re: PNY GTX 580 Liquid Cooled GPU and CPU

    ok before I give my opinion I need to know the following;

    1) ambient temp at load test
    2) closed case or open bench
    3) how long the load test was taken place

    Regarding to the hydrid (water-air); in this case the fan has nothing to do with the GPU. It's there to cool the VRMS, it's look like the GPU has its own block/pump just like the CPU one. The extra pump might contribute in performance boost but still doubtful thought.

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    Can we at least know the pny fans speed?

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    Default Re: PNY GTX 580 Liquid Cooled GPU and CPU

    Gosh, this is getting annoying, I can't see reviews because I can't open the site. A member on OCN also had this issue, and he was located in Chicago, so it isn't just me and my mate who are having problems.

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    Default Re: PNY GTX 580 Liquid Cooled GPU and CPU

    Quote Originally Posted by Vexation View Post
    Gosh, this is getting annoying, I can't see reviews because I can't open the site. A member on OCN also had this issue, and he was located in Chicago, so it isn't just me and my mate who are having problems.
    No problems here on the East Coast, but you are not missing anything but a bunch a people who do not have the card, do not understand new technology and most probably are still running 8800GTs. If read a review that is totally unreal, I would not say a word until I had the card in my computer and then I would look at my results and post them. What you have there are people that just like to follow the crowd because 1 guy with a lot of posts and what seems to me a jealous rant that his forum didn't get one of these to test. JMHO.

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    Default Re: PNY GTX 580 Liquid Cooled GPU and CPU

    Jake,

    Would there be any way to get you to remove the top cover off of the card like you do in most your other reviews?

    It would be nice to see exactly what kind of pump/ block is on the card, and what heatsinks are being used to the cool the VRMs. If there is a big block in the way, like one of Swiftech's Apogee Drive blocks, then that would impede airflow to the memory. Don't get me wrong, I'm impressed by the results, and am now considering getting two of these for my next system. I just want to see how it is that the insides work, before buying one just to see.
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    Default Re: PNY GTX 580 Liquid Cooled GPU and CPU

    Sorry guys, I've been sick and out of town, haven't been able to respond. I'll try to get some more pics when I'm back in action soon.

    I will say a few things though:

    First, I cannot comment on the H80/H100/whatever, because I haven't tested those products. It's also a bit of an apples-to-oranges comparison because they're not cooling the same things. I know people will try to apply the "But XXX product didn't do as well so this PNY one can't either!" argument but unfortunately that doesn't work. Take GPU coolers for the example. The best "stock" non-reference one out there right now is the MSI Twin Frozr III. But the ASUS DirectCU II cooler has heatpipes as well, yet doesn't perform quite as well. They're the same technology though, why not the same results? I suppose we could dissect every pipe, every volume, every degree of transferred heat, but I don't have the time, and it would be supposition. The fact remains, in real world testing, that the TF3 gives better temperatures. That's just simple fact and the numbers illustrate that fact.

    And it's the same here with the PNY. There's a difference in arguing the results aren't right and the cooler is essentially crap versus trying to figure out WHY the cooler is producing such good results. I won't argue the results, they speak for themselves. Figuring out why they're good? Well, that's up for debate and is a whole other situation altogether. I suppose someone could speak with Asetek and talk to their engineerings for some Law of Thermodynamics debate, but I'll leave that to other people. Frankly, I don't have the time nor the interest in such things, it's just my personality though and others can feel free to pick up that gauntlet if they so wish.

    Ambient temps were 24C and it's an open case as mentioned in the setup specs, and test was run 20 minutes. All this information is in the review if you look. It's the same as all my other previous tests. Anyone can argue minutiae about a couple degrees or whatnot, but the reality is every GPU and CPU cooler I have ever tested is done under the exact same test conditions. Every single time. So it's an apples to apples comparison. Test conditions are about consistency, more so than the particulars. Would a memory fan make a difference in the results? Likely not. But let's say it did. How much difference would it make in adjusting the airflow across the motherboard and somehow boost the efficiency of the radiator? Maybe 1 degree, maybe? But it won't make such a significant amount of difference so as to skew the results from what's being illustrated here. (A memory fan wasn't used, for the record). For example, a memory fan won't change the temps by 20C. A closed case won't make the GPU temps jump 40C above the previous tests. So I'm saying this in advance for anyone that may want to blame the "oh, it's an open case, that's why the temps are so good" excuse. That's an illogical fallacy. The test conditions are always the same, so those types of excuses don't apply.

    Like I said, I can understand why people are skeptical. Maybe because these results are "threatening" in comparison to DIY setups? Why spend hundreds of dollars that's essentially not "needed". But if you look at the bigger picture, this has been happening for a long time. I told everyone when Sandy Bridge came out that H2O would no longer be needed, and everyone scoffed. And now that's true. Same thing with self-contained vs DIY kits. I've been saying that for awhile. True, DIY will be better, but the improvement isn't worth the money on a cost-performance examination.

    I think the tech advancement is awesome. We all praise such innovation and improvements with graphics cards, processors, SSDs, and so forth. I find it a bit amusing to be honest, that cooling advancements are met with such skepticism. That's ok though, I'm not a PNY pitchman; I just call the results the way they're produced. If something works, it works, and the review reflects that. If it doesn't, it doesn't. We've seen products that fail, and we say it. This one doesn't, and I will say again that I was shocked at how well it did.
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    Great review Jake, looks like PNY has a winner working.

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    Default Re: PNY GTX 580 Liquid Cooled GPU and CPU

    self-contained is the future they just keep geting better and better but i don't think diy will ever die
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    Default Re: PNY GTX 580 Liquid Cooled GPU and CPU

    Quote Originally Posted by aryan51 View Post
    self-contained is the future they just keep geting better and better but i don't think diy will ever die
    While you may be right that DIY might never die, the choice then becomes one of cost vs. performance. Is it worth it to spend an extra $350+ to cool the same graphics card, for a difference of MAYBE 1-3 degrees difference in Temps? In my opinion, no it is not. But that does not mean that someone with more cash than brains will think the same thing. You could easily bring up the point that even that marginal difference might extend the products life expectancy. However, in today's enthusiast market, how often do we keep the same graphics card? A year or two tops, as we begin to feel inadequate in comparison to others on our respective forums? It doesn't matter that our card can still play all of the games we are currently playing at MAX specs without any issues, the fact that a newer card could get us 20 more FPS than our current card is all that matters. Who cares if we are still getting 75+ FPS in our current gaming titles? That 20 FPS will make a HUGE difference, so much so that our eyes cannot readily even notice the difference.

    The only real difference that really matters then is completely subjective, as it is a matter of what we personally find aesthetically pleasing. But even this doesn't really matter, as the only glory we gain from this is the acceptance from our peers that we have done something different with our build than they have done with theirs. But then, honestly, how often do we look at our completed systems? Personally I pay more attention to what is going on my screens than I do to staring at the outside of my case, or getting out of my chair to look inside the window. Other than that, I look at my case once every month or so to clean out all of the smaller dust particles that made it past my fan filters.

    All this aside, all that really matters is that we are happy with our purchasing decisions. And, a self contained system for my graphics cards would be money well spent, allowing the money to buy a better processor, more RAM, or that next gaming title that just about to come out.
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    Default Re: PNY GTX 580 Liquid Cooled GPU and CPU

    @skyguy That's one proper and well thought-out response. Major props for that.
    @Alan I can't view any reviews or the main site here on PureOC, especially with the debate about this specific cooling solution, I'd like to see the results for myself

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    Default Re: PNY GTX 580 Liquid Cooled GPU and CPU

    Who's worry?

    I'm not, I've done too many water cooling tests just want to find out the logic behind this new cooling setup.

    As I mention before the GPU temp is possible to drop down in half as soon you put it on water. In this cooler setup I'm guarantee you there is no better new tech secret, the rad is definitely the same as H70, it's very dense FPI with the same width (60mm), it needs high flow fan.

    You can't cheat the law of physic, if the rad is capable to dissipate 200w of then no matter if you do to the other part of the cooler than it wouldn't matter. When the rad cooling capacity is saturated then that is. We are tend to over estimate the heat dissipation of the components thought.

    Here are other facts that I think it contributes in the performance.
    1) It has two separate pumps, two pumps help with flow rate, high flow rate better temp.
    2) MEM and VRMS cooled by heatsink and fan, this isolate more heat dump into the GPU (at least 5C) like the fullcover block.
    PNY GTX 580 Liquid Cooled GPU and CPU-pny05.jpg

    Jake, you didn't test this with Sandy Bridge therefore it has nothing to do with this new processor is run cooler. You tested with i7 870 with 95W TDP this does make a different when people thinking with the chip of 130w TDP.

    There will be more other reviews for you guys to cross check but here is one.

    The guy tested on 2500K overclocked to 4.7Ghz, GPUs stay at stock. He has it in SLI setup.
    His temps are follow:
    Ambient: 22c
    CPU Cores: 64-70c
    GPU: 57C

    for CPU temps, it shows in 4.48min mark and GPU temp in 1 minute later. Now keep in mind, we have two different test systems here.
    Jake has the average of 6c cooler for GPU and at least 12c for the CPU.

    There you have.

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    Well, it could have been tested with an AMD CPU. Or why not Prescott? Why not LGA1366? Gotta draw the line somewhere. The lack of testing on Sandy Bridge doesn't mean it's some sort of failure or presents any sort of arguable justification. Remember what I said: self-contained can work extremely well in certain conditions. Overclocking the GPU to 1000MHz and CPU to 5.0GHz, for example, would prove nothing. Why? Because it's not designed to handle those types of heat loads, so the point is moot. No claim was ever made that it could in the review.

    It's like saying a Porsche Boxter can't win the Indy 500 so it's a garbage car. Failure or success in such instances depends on the criteria being applied. As I also said, is DIY better? Yes, it is. In terms of overall temperatures. Is it worth a few hundred extra bucks? It depends. Like Jeremy said, if someone has an uber leet rig, SLI, blah blah, and money is no object, then fine. But for someone on a modest budget that wants maximum benefit from a minimal additional investment, then this setup is killer. Like Deton said, putting it on water automatically means significant temperature improvements. And that is exactly what's happened here: significant temperature improvements. Our resident guru Deton has made my point for me, actually.

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    Ops...for forgot to embed the review video and here it is.


    I think most people skeptical about when a single rad is used to cool a CPU and GPU. Like I said, we're tend to over estimate the heat output by the CPU and GPU especially the GPU. Don't forget it is a single core and when you isolate the memory and VRMs on it own then you don't have a lot of heat dump.

    I did the CoolIT OMNI review a while back and did the comparison between with the DIY setup. Keep this in mind, the GTX480 run hotter than the 580 and the rad I use is half the thickness.
    PNY GTX 580 Liquid Cooled GPU and CPU-coolit_omni_temps2t.jpg

    Ok...so why Jake's numbers are lesser than the other tester.
    1) perhaps it was on the open air bench
    2) less overclock

    So if a CPU has 95w of TDP with overclock of 4.2Ghz then the heat output should be more than 150w of heat. And let's assume another 100w from GPU then the total heat output would be around 250w, given or take.

    My conclusion is it is possible with mild overclock with lower TDP processor. If you have extreme overclocked CPU with higher TDP then don't expect the world throught.

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    Deton, if you are right about the 820 using less W, and thus dissipating less heat, then I must applaud the people at OCN for totally lacking the ability to read. It has been clearly listen in the testing setup list. Regardless, this thing would prove quite awesome for anyone not having the time or money to figure out how watercooling works, like me.

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    Here is another video from Asetek with temps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kroks View Post
    Can we at least know the pny fans speed?
    bump

    Anyway it's the same rad and waterblock as ****ty corsair kit but WITH GTX 580!! and in 90% of tests it never beats aircooling so I call bs on this review...
    Now maybe it's an honest mistake and you probably set something wrong, I remember I had lower temperature WITH AA enable in furmark also did you remove over current protection?
    But something is wrong in your results...

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