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    We're focusing on the ASUS R9 280X DirectCU II TOP, an upper-range peformance card that retails around $420. ASUS is a company that continues to challenge notions and offer cutting edge technology for enthusiasts, and as a result, we've come to expect big things from ASUS. In terms of competition, the R9 280X is positioned against Nvidia's GTX 770, but as you'll see in testing, it's not quite that simple, as there are some apples and oranges comparisons here in terms of features; after all, gaming framerates only tell part of the story. So, let's take a closer look at the ASUS R9 280X DirectCU II TOP to find out how it measures up.

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    Simply WOW!
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    very good review Jake. nice card and performs well. prices are going up with all this damn bitcoin mining now.
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    Default Re: ASUS R9 280X DirectCU II TOP

    Great in dept review thanks Jake

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    Great review Jake of a nice card thanks for posting

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    Great review and Great GPU! Thanks Jake! Asus DirectCu and Matrix series looks freaking monstrous. Now all we need is a dual 280x ROG AresIII !
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    LOL i thought this was a review of an ASUS GPU not MSI

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    Default Re: ASUS R9 280X DirectCU II TOP

    Quote Originally Posted by xelosia View Post
    LOL i thought this was a review of an ASUS GPU not MSI
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    Default Re: ASUS R9 280X DirectCU II TOP

    So, it's $420, is a TOP so it has ASUS biggest OC, and performs on par with a reference GTX 770 (at least I assume your comparison unit was a reference, no idea if it was 2 or 4GB or what drivers were used.....). The ref GTX 770 runs $80 less, and even 2GB models with sizeable OCs from MSI, Gigabyte, etc can be had at that price. Bump that up to an OC'd 4GB model and you are still $50 less than this. If the OC 280X runs on par (actually, just a touch slower) with the ref GTX 770, then one could assume that the OC 4GB GTX 770 is going to be a bit better for less money.

    It's nice to see AMD relevant again, but I am not seeing "great gaming performance against nVidia" with this one in single monitor setups when pricing is considered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciarlatano View Post
    So, it's $420, is a TOP so it has ASUS biggest OC, and performs on par with a reference GTX 770 (at least I assume your comparison unit was a reference, no idea if it was 2 or 4GB or what drivers were used.....). The ref GTX 770 runs $80 less, and even 2GB models with sizeable OCs from MSI, Gigabyte, etc can be had at that price. Bump that up to an OC'd 4GB model and you are still $50 less than this. If the OC 280X runs on par (actually, just a touch slower) with the ref GTX 770, then one could assume that the OC 4GB GTX 770 is going to be a bit better for less money.

    It's nice to see AMD relevant again, but I am not seeing "great gaming performance against nVidia" with this one in single monitor setups when pricing is considered.
    The problem is you are viewing it solely on price and not the how the product placement was intended. The 280x was supposed to be placed in the $299 and slightly up range from special models like this. The $$420 price is artificially inflated due to demand. Damn miners! If supply catches up the price will drop back down and place it in its correct spot. So you would be looking at a $349 gpu that can hang with a 770.

    You are also not looking at it from the perspective of a miner. the 770 is not even close to what a 280x can do for mining. hell a 260x might beat it in mining. and right now hash rates are whats important and why these gpus are flying off shelves. They are great gpus for gaming too. Its a win win for AMD but gamers are having to pay higher prices then normal if they want to stick with AMD.

    Oh and the 770 2gb is useless with modern games. you need at least a 3gb frame buffer.4gb is better. Nvidia shouldn't even have released a 2gb version knowing the high end 6xx series struggled at high res and 4k.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberburnout View Post
    The problem is you are viewing it solely on price and not the how the product placement was intended. The 280x was supposed to be placed in the $299 and slightly up range from special models like this. The $$420 price is artificially inflated due to demand. Damn miners! If supply catches up the price will drop back down and place it in its correct spot. So you would be looking at a $349 gpu that can hang with a 770.

    You are also not looking at it from the perspective of a miner. the 770 is not even close to what a 280x can do for mining. hell a 260x might beat it in mining. and right now hash rates are whats important and why these gpus are flying off shelves. They are great gpus for gaming too. Its a win win for AMD but gamers are having to pay higher prices then normal if they want to stick with AMD.

    Oh and the 770 2gb is useless with modern games. you need at least a 3gb frame buffer.4gb is better. Nvidia shouldn't even have released a 2gb version knowing the high end 6xx series struggled at high res and 4k.
    Ummm....so I should think it's a good buy because it is supposed to be $299, even if it isn't in reality (or at least the reality the rest of us are stuck in)? And it was reviewed as a $420 card. At $349, sure its a competitive buy, but "artificially" inflated or not, it isn't $349 so at this moment, so what I stated is correct. We can't suspend reality for AMD and their fans' convenience (though it seems we are continually expected to).

    My statement was regarding the "great gaming performance against nVidia" remark. In the real world the gaming performance of the GTX 770 on a single monitor is better, and the GTX 770 is cheaper (and as I said, a 4GB with a good OC is still $50 less than this card). In this fantasy world you speak of, where this card sells for $349, they are on more equal dollar for dollar performance in gaming. Can you give me directions to this world where the 280X is $299? Do the people there look like us? Do they still use zeppelins?

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    Default Re: ASUS R9 280X DirectCU II TOP

    Think you missed what I was saying. I am not telling you to ignore anything. I am saying it was not intended to be compared to the 770. The inflated price alone is why you are making this comparison. If you compare it to the intended market target. it surpasses the 660 and 660ti and 760. And within range of a 770. These cards can also be overclocker higher then the factory oc.

    If you are looking for gaming only then you are correct. The 770 4gb may be a better deal. The 2gb version is a bad purchase IMHO vs the 280x or 4gb 770. Games have already surpassed its capabilities for higher res gaming.

    Maybe you should do your homework before you say anything is fantasy. I was just a micro center and this card was on sale for 349. The visiontek 280x was in fact 299. The prices have been fluctuating based on supply. The sapphire vaporx was 329. Hell they had a msi 290 for 449. Go back and read the articles when the r9 series was released to see what the retail pricing was supposed to be. The 270x was released at 199. 280x 299 290 399 and 290x 549. He quoted the price at one located at one moment in time. So where your from do they actually take time to read and look before making condescending comments? Still ride dinosaurs?

    If you are looking at mining even with the inflated price the 280x is still a better purchase then either versions of the 770.
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    Damn Bitcoin miners made prices jump up on the AMD gpu's just like Sandy said due to supply and demand. at it's original pricing the 280x is a better overclocker and better buy imo.
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    Default Re: ASUS R9 280X DirectCU II TOP

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberburnout View Post
    Think you missed what I was saying. I am not telling you to ignore anything. I am saying it was not intended to be compared to the 770. The inflated price alone is why you are making this comparison. If you compare it to the intended market target. it surpasses the 660 and 660ti and 760. And within range of a 770. These cards can also be overclocker higher then the factory oc.

    If you are looking for gaming only then you are correct. The 770 4gb may be a better deal. The 2gb version is a bad purchase IMHO vs the 280x or 4gb 770. Games have already surpassed its capabilities for higher res gaming.

    Maybe you should do your homework before you say anything is fantasy. I was just a micro center and this card was on sale for 349. The visiontek 280x was in fact 299. The prices have been fluctuating based on supply. The sapphire vaporx was 329. Hell they had a msi 290 for 449. Go back and read the articles when the r9 series was released to see what the retail pricing was supposed to be. The 270x was released at 199. 280x 299 290 399 and 290x 549. He quoted the price at one located at one moment in time. So where your from do they actually take time to read and look before making condescending comments? Still ride dinosaurs?

    If you are looking at mining even with the inflated price the 280x is still a better purchase then either versions of the 770.
    No, I get what you are saying, the problem is that you missed my very, very simple point entirely and went straight into defending things that were never in question. I am going to put it as simply and succinctly as possible.

    This review (and thread and my comments) is about the ASUS R9 280X TOP (it is not about a Visiontek, Sapphire or MSI).
    The current price on this card as listed in your review is $420. Current real world pricing has - NewEgg at $419, Amazon at $499 (WTF????), Microcenter as OOS (you should have grabbed a few while you were there since the price was in-store only), B&H at $380 but (surprise) not in stock with limited qty for pre-order, Tiger doesn't even list it yet.
    If you want to buy this ASUS R9 280X today and don't live near a MC with one in stock, it will cost you $419. Those are real dollars, you can not pay $299 in real money and the other $130 in "artificial" money.
    The ASUS R9 280X TOP is an OC card narrowly beaten by (what I assume is) a reference 2GB GTX 770 in five of the six gaming tests you ran in your review.
    An OC 2GB GTX 770 will outperform the ASUS R9 280X TOP in gaming on a single monitor by a wider margin than a reference 2GB GTX 770, and can be purchased for $339 real dollars (Gigabyte or MSI)
    A 4GB GTX 770 is more desirable than a 2GB, and an OC 4GB GTX 770 can be purchased today for $369.
    The review of the ASUS R9 280X TOP states "great gaming performance against nVidia" (NOT mining performance) right on the front page in the "What We Liked" section, right along with the $420 price tag.
    Dollar for dollar, at the time of publishing, the ASUS R9 280X TOP does not offer "great gaming performance against nVidia". The statement does not say "great mining performance" or "folding performance" or "SETI performance".

    As I said already, at $349 it is a competitive buy, at $299 it is absolutely a fantastic buy. The problem is that you can not buy this card today (or at time of publishing) for those prices. If you want an ASUS R9 280X TOP today, it will cost you $420.

    I make a comment about the specific capabilities of a specific card at a specific price point, and suddenly every card in the platform needs to get dragged in with a a bunch of "supposed to" that isn't real at the moment. Why can't anything be said about AMD cards without that happening....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciarlatano View Post
    No, I get what you are saying, the problem is that you missed my very, very simple point entirely and went straight into defending things that were never in question. I am going to put it as simply and succinctly as possible.

    This review (and thread and my comments) is about the ASUS R9 280X TOP (it is not about a Visiontek, Sapphire or MSI).
    The current price on this card as listed in your review is $420. Current real world pricing has - NewEgg at $419, Amazon at $499 (WTF????), Microcenter as OOS (you should have grabbed a few while you were there since the price was in-store only), B&H at $380 but (surprise) not in stock with limited qty for pre-order, Tiger doesn't even list it yet.
    If you want to buy this ASUS R9 280X today and don't live near a MC with one in stock, it will cost you $419. Those are real dollars, you can not pay $299 in real money and the other $130 in "artificial" money.
    The ASUS R9 280X TOP is an OC card narrowly beaten by (what I assume is) a reference 2GB GTX 770 in five of the six gaming tests you ran in your review.
    An OC 2GB GTX 770 will outperform the ASUS R9 280X TOP in gaming on a single monitor by a wider margin than a reference 2GB GTX 770, and can be purchased for $339 real dollars (Gigabyte or MSI)
    A 4GB GTX 770 is more desirable than a 2GB, and an OC 4GB GTX 770 can be purchased today for $369.
    The review of the ASUS R9 280X TOP states "great gaming performance against nVidia" (NOT mining performance) right on the front page in the "What We Liked" section, right along with the $420 price tag.
    Dollar for dollar, at the time of publishing, the ASUS R9 280X TOP does not offer "great gaming performance against nVidia". The statement does not say "great mining performance" or "folding performance" or "SETI performance".

    As I said already, at $349 it is a competitive buy, at $299 it is absolutely a fantastic buy. The problem is that you can not buy this card today (or at time of publishing) for those prices. If you want an ASUS R9 280X TOP today, it will cost you $420.

    I make a comment about the specific capabilities of a specific card at a specific price point, and suddenly every card in the platform needs to get dragged in with a a bunch of "supposed to" that isn't real at the moment. Why can't anything be said about AMD cards without that happening....

    Calm down buddy. This isnt an Nvidia vs AMD thing for me. Just a discussion. Yes if you can only find this card at $420 and you only plan on gaming then it might not be the best choice. Already stated that. I believe the 770 was 2GB factory OC model. Can verify when Jake returns from vacation. Not sure what the real $ statements are about. Not sure what else you can buy things with. Monopoly money has never gotten me far.

    I brought up the other cards because I was talking about proper product placement in the lineup. The whole point of what I was saying is miners have put AMD cards at a disadvantage because of the inflated price they created. So when compared solely on current price it appears like AMD has a card that does not perform well against a Nvidia card of similar price. Feeding a stigma. It was never intended to go head to head with that card but a rung down instead. The fact that the 770 slightly beats it was never in question. I call it more of a tie as 1-3fps isnt crap.

    You are correct I wish I did buy the cards that were on sale at MC when I was there. Didn't have a spare $1000 laying around but that corporate CC would have covered it. lol

    If I was going out today to ONLY get a GPU for gaming and the 770 and 280x DCII top were my choices it would be a no brainer. I would get the 770 with 4GB. If the choices were a 770 2gb and the 280x DCII I would get the DCII. You just cant overcome the 2gb limitation with any amount of Overclocking.

    For what the cards are being used for outside of gaming to be ignored is madness. It was used in decision making when people were building F@H rigs because Nvidia cards were better at it so why cant it come into play for AMD and Mining? It is the actually reason the prices are inflated. More and more people are doing it and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. It is something we have to take into account even if you do not currently mine, you might want to in the future.


    Anyways. The card will continue to sell at whatever price it is that day because all of the R9s are a wanted commodity. For gaming or otherwise. People that mine or like AMD will buy it regardless what you or I think. People that like Nvidia will do the same regardless of what any review says. So relax my man. None of this was an attack on you Nvidia. AMD doesn't pay me and neither does Nvidia so I could care less about defending either. Was only about placement.
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