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    Default Samsung 850 PRO 256GB Review

    Samsung is bringing a few new features to the mainstream market here with the 850 PRO SSD, but what's utterly special that we hope pushes those boundaries further ahead, is something called RAPID Mode. Sounds like marketing jingo, we agree, but you'd be wrong to dismiss this one. RAPID Mode is unlike anything you've seen before, promising astonishing performance increases. Buckle up and let's take a closer look at the Samsung PRO 256GB and see just what this SSD can do.

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    Default Re: Samsung 850 PRO 256GB Review

    Good review Jake.Dam nice ssd.

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    Default Re: Samsung 850 PRO 256GB Review

    That drive!!! Very impressive and great review!
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    Default Re: Samsung 850 PRO 256GB Review

    Damn that is a nice drive. Those speeds in Rapid mode are freaking nuts. Great review jake!
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    Default Re: Samsung 850 PRO 256GB Review

    Seems like they did it again but this testing of an almost empty drive seems, well, Who has a drive like that?

    Over the past couple of years we have all read about write amplification and how it reduces performance over time or as the disk is filled

    Fill it up, put it to work for a couple of hours and see how it performs whilst under load ....whilst garbage collection is running.

    I still think it will be a beast but I'm kinda sure that this "Rapid Mode" is not going to help much then.

    I want to see some of these test suites bring out versions that test in a more real world environment because my "old" 840 Pro was said to be the dog's, according to all the tests, but although much better than an HDD it ain't nothing special if you push it when it is almost full.

    I know.... Sounds like I am complaining about this review. Not at all. My usage just seems to rack up the GBytes per day and in that scenario numbers like these in the review just don't add up.

    EDIT: Would I like one of these? Sure, if only to push it a bit harder. The 10 year limited warranty I have just been reading up on sounds great and if I understand it right the TBW figure is 150 TBytes. That is double what most others are offering and maintains the 40GB per day from previous generation drives.
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    Default Re: Samsung 850 PRO 256GB Review

    This drive looks pretty incredible. Like Grumpy said, I am curious to see what happens to "Rapid Mode" in non-ideal situations, but I can't see Samsung not having that covered somehow.

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    Default Re: Samsung 850 PRO 256GB Review

    Good review Jake. That's a nice ssd.
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    Default Re: Samsung 850 PRO 256GB Review

    I like everything about it but the price!

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    Default Re: Samsung 850 PRO 256GB Review

    You make some great points Grumpy, and I don't disagree with you, but the challenge would be to test drives in a completely controlled, unbiased, and repeatable environment. Filling a drive can be done, but then making that drive mimic an OS setup, for many hours, in a manner that could be exactly reproduced for the next SSD to test........I'm not entirely sure how that could be done. Anand has probably the best testing/setup out there, and even then it's not an accurate representation of "actual use".

    The problem is that companies would cry foul of unbiased testing, readers/consumers would cry foul because of unrealistic setups or variances in setups and testing, and reviewers would likely cry foul because it's nearly impossible to do. Factor in deadlines and the reality that we often don't have weeks to test (assuming we could even devise such a controlled "realistic" setup in the first place), and it becomes untenable.

    I fully agree with you, and in many instances we're trying to use round pegs to fit into square SSD holes for testing, but we all certainly do our best. There will be differences, no question, but we try.

    I also agree that any SSD will be exceedingly faster than a plattered hard drive. At that point, we're really comparing minutiae. Can you tell the differences between 550MB/s Read and 538MB/s Read? I can't in the real world. So is there a perceptible difference? Arguably not. But such is the nature of comparisons; there is a provable difference. But the real question is: what does it mean to the consumer in the end?

    This is why I personally also place more emphasis on features, accessibility, and price, rather than strictly performance numbers on a synthetic test. Those numbers have their purpose, but context must be understood. Is this Samsung drive fantastic? Absolutely. Is is worth the extra money? Depends on what someone wants, what they need, and what they're used to. Would another SSD suffice? Possibly. Again, depends on the circumstances. I would humbly submit that anyone who is nearly filling their SSD needs a larger capacity SSD. With prices dropping, it's a good time buy. But then again, we all know you're not an "average" user, right Grumpy? LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyguy View Post
    You make some great points Grumpy, and I don't disagree with you, but the challenge would be to test drives in a completely controlled, unbiased, and repeatable environment. Filling a drive can be done, but then making that drive mimic an OS setup, for many hours, in a manner that could be exactly reproduced for the next SSD to test........I'm not entirely sure how that could be done. Anand has probably the best testing/setup out there, and even then it's not an accurate representation of "actual use".

    The problem is that companies would cry foul of unbiased testing, readers/consumers would cry foul because of unrealistic setups or variances in setups and testing, and reviewers would likely cry foul because it's nearly impossible to do. Factor in deadlines and the reality that we often don't have weeks to test (assuming we could even devise such a controlled "realistic" setup in the first place), and it becomes untenable.

    I fully agree with you, and in many instances we're trying to use round pegs to fit into square SSD holes for testing, but we all certainly do our best. There will be differences, no question, but we try.

    I also agree that any SSD will be exceedingly faster than a plattered hard drive. At that point, we're really comparing minutiae. Can you tell the differences between 550MB/s Read and 538MB/s Read? I can't in the real world. So is there a perceptible difference? Arguably not. But such is the nature of comparisons; there is a provable difference. But the real question is: what does it mean to the consumer in the end?

    This is why I personally also place more emphasis on features, accessibility, and price, rather than strictly performance numbers on a synthetic test. Those numbers have their purpose, but context must be understood. Is this Samsung drive fantastic? Absolutely. Is is worth the extra money? Depends on what someone wants, what they need, and what they're used to. Would another SSD suffice? Possibly. Again, depends on the circumstances. I would humbly submit that anyone who is nearly filling their SSD needs a larger capacity SSD. With prices dropping, it's a good time buy. But then again, we all know you're not an "average" user, right Grumpy? LOL.
    Quote Originally Posted by grumpydaddy View Post
    Seems like they did it again but this testing of an almost empty drive seems, well, Who has a drive like that?

    Over the past couple of years we have all read about write amplification and how it reduces performance over time or as the disk is filled

    Fill it up, put it to work for a couple of hours and see how it performs whilst under load ....whilst garbage collection is running.

    I still think it will be a beast but I'm kinda sure that this "Rapid Mode" is not going to help much then.

    I want to see some of these test suites bring out versions that test in a more real world environment because my "old" 840 Pro was said to be the dog's, according to all the tests, but although much better than an HDD it ain't nothing special if you push it when it is almost full.

    I know.... Sounds like I am complaining about this review. Not at all. My usage just seems to rack up the GBytes per day and in that scenario numbers like these in the review just don't add up.

    EDIT: Would I like one of these? Sure, if only to push it a bit harder. The 10 year limited warranty I have just been reading up on sounds great and if I understand it right the TBW figure is 150 TBytes. That is double what most others are offering and maintains the 40GB per day from previous generation drives.

    I agree with both you. It is something I would like to see but it is also something we will have to spend a good amount of time to come up with. A lot more questions then answers.

    Filling up a drive is pretty easy. What types of data and how much of each to fill it up with is the problem because all are treated differently. A large dummy file? Uncompressed vs compressed, video\audio file formats, Windows or Linux, Zip files or Winrar ect ect. booting from the drive being tested will give you different results then if you test it as a secondary drive. I would say test as the bootable drive but other may not agree.

    So we do what we can, We test all devices as the come not as they may be in the future or how we think they should be. It is the only way to keep things even for any prolonged period of time. I don't see any site testing any component on a "expected 6 months down the line" scenario. Why? Too unpredictable and you will never get even the majority of sites to agree with your method of testing to reproduce or create that scenario. Without general support for those testing methods it is pretty much a waste of time.

    Our choices are we all get together and use of skills to come up with a sensible drive image that can be copied to other drives (keep in mind the 50% mark, 128, 240,256,515,960 GB ect) or We wait until one of these companies develops a benchmark that covers this scenario.

    We can also fill a drive up with random crap and notate that it is not an Official benchmark of any sort. Just a general idea of expected performance based on Capacity. We cant use time unless we degrade the drive by doing repeated cycles. Why would we do that? lol
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    Great Review Jake of an awesome SSD thanks for posting

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    Default Re: Samsung 850 PRO 256GB Review

    Good Review Jake, great SSD drive but I must agree with Grumpy that would be nice to do some real scenario testing and see real behavior of the drive.

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    Default Re: Samsung 850 PRO 256GB Review

    that testing should be done in a lab by the manufacturer not the reviewer all the average consumer is interested in is how much data will it hold, how fast it is,
    and who has the cheapest price, after all is said and done most if not all are better then a HDD

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    Default Re: Samsung 850 PRO 256GB Review

    I'm not saying this is a bad drive, not at all, looks an excellent drive but will be nice to see some real comparative between normal and rapid mode as was done here for 840 Evo, where we can see that the Rapid mode (in Evo case), is not that much better (even in some test was worst then normal mode).

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    Default Re: Samsung 850 PRO 256GB Review

    I have to agree with you Jake, such testing is a hard nut to crack. I like what I see from a distance with Futuremark PCMark 8 Extended Consistency Test but have not yet been hands on with it

    Those folks needing the fastest drives could also be looking at the last generation (price drops when the new becomes available) and running two or more in raid. This time around the latest offerings from Samsung and Sandisk do seem to have a hefty premium. You have the right of it there too Vinman.... Bigger drives for less money and the same rule applies with these on prices for last gen.

    This desktop, my daily rig, has a new drive in it already... installed 18th july and now has 5.5TB writes on it so I have eased down some. My crawling rig does about 240GB per day in writes so I guess it is fair to say that I should be looking not at these enthusiast drives but at enterprise hardware anyway. I guess I am just an "Above Average" kinda guy
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