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    These results differ hugely from the ones done by Tomshardware just a few months ago. There they showed that a crossfire set-up really benefited a lot from having an i7 (30%). Any idea why there is such a big difference with these results?

    For gaming it looks like its 2.66 Ghz of i7 equals about 3.4Ghz of Phenom II. Both are capable of overclocking to around 4Ghz on air, which does mean if the CPU matters at all in a game the i7 will win by quite a margin. Still its much more expensive and the CPU doesn't make as much difference as the graphics card.

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    Welcome to Pure OC!

    Our Editor did the testing, he is currently on vacation until Monday. I'm sure he will be happy to answer your Crossfire result question when he returns.

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    Default Well done Jake

    Thanks for this great comparisment Jake.
    I've noticed in other reviews as well as in this one, that you always compare a dual channel CPU with a triple channel CPU.
    But if we stick to build an affordable system, shouldn't we compare, or at leas try to run dual channel vs dual channel? It could make the Intel setup a little cheaper. But i have no idea if anyone ever tryed to run a Core i7 in a dual channel setup, if even possible.

    And for all the people who get confuse by the Furmark scores. The Catalyst 9.7 driver somehow slows down the AMD 48xx series cards. Because the voltage regulators run a little too hot with Furmark. If you still want to find out if you over temperature protection works use the 9.6 driver. And they will also give double the Furmark points

    And one question to the extreme overclockers. AMD says the Phenom II has no cold bug. does the i7 have one?

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    i don't think the cold bug matters. the best systems on 3dmark vantage hall of fame are all i7 rigs.

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    The cold bug is referring to the point at which cooling no longer enables a higher overclock. With AMD currently holding the world-record right now at over 7GHz on a quad core, no they don't have a "cold bug". The Core i7 Intel chips do, as they haven't gotten close to 7GHz yet, even with liquid Helium.
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    Default Really cold

    Wait, i know the cold bug as a point, where the cpu really freezes (System just stops running).
    You can't cool you cpu below that point, cause you system just won't run at lower temperatures any longer. And the Phenom II doesn't have that point, so you can cool it far more down then the other cpus with cold bug. When you can achieve lower temperatures then you can overclock further.

    I thought intel also doesn't have this cold bug any longer. Because they use similar techniques to produce their cpus like AMD does.

    Oh, and by the way, the all time frequency record goes to a celeron with 8+GHz :-)

    Back to topic. I've been playing games for a long time. But since Crysis appeared, there are no longer good games out there. And if there are, then it takes ages until they are done. I can remember the time when a new game was out, and you had the most recent rig, and you were happy if it was running a little smooth. Now we can play crysis at full HD resolution for a moderate price. I would be happy to see a game which can fully use gpu and cpu.
    Lets just waite a few more years, then there will only be CP-GPUs and we will have again software engines which are highly flexible :-) Then we can finally use our systems to the limits.

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    isn't highest frequency reached held by duck and his pentium 4?

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    Quote Originally Posted by intel4ever View Post
    isn't highest frequency reached held by duck and his pentium 4?
    It is. And after the Pentium 4s (Which were simply awful chips, might I add), AMD is crushing intel. I haven't seen a single Intel quad (or dual, lol [haven't seen, mind you]) get near the Phenom II 955.

    It's good that the P4s OCd so well; it gave them a way to come close (but not match) the A64s.


    I bet my stock 3500+ would outperform his 631 lol.

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    somebody show psykl0n a i7 975 XE and Phenom II 955 BE comparison. this is a value comparison which we all know AMD wins.

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    what good would a comparison do, and what does value have to do with maximum clock? :confused:

    Core i7 975 - 6092MHZ
    AMD Phenom II 955 - 7000.4MHZ

    http://ripping.org/database.php?act=records

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    yeah like everyone has a couple bottles of ln2 at home. compare max clocks on say a true 120 or a boreas. extreme cooling is not reliable enough for a 24/7 setup.

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    Phenom II vs Core i7: Gaming Value Comparison
    Phenom II vs Core i7: Gaming Value Comparison


    i went over that, lol

    edit: i definitely agree with you, but you're arguing with me over something we agree on
    Last edited by logan; 17-08-2009 at 12:49.

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    there is very little difference in crysis FPS between the 955 and i7 so i guess there is no point continuing any fanboy arguements.

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    I4E: Do people actually play Crysis anymore? Haven't you finished the levels/objectives yet?

    BrightCandle: The Phenom also benefits greatly from a Crossfire setup, in some cases almost double. So I'm not sure I understand what you mean by the i7 benefitting by 30% for Crossfire. Both platforms benefit actually. Also, I think Tom's Hardware did a comparison with different GPU configurations. If that is correct (and I'm not 110% sure) then I think that is not a valid comparison. By definition, using different graphics cards as a basis for comparison between CPU platforms is......irrelevant. The results can't be compared, they're invalid in my opinion.

    Aerpoweron: Technically speaking, dual channel can be done on the i7, that is correct. But the problem with that is people don't buy dual channel for an i7; they buy triple channel. So you'd be effectively comparing a platform that is out of spec. That's part of the thrust of the comparison: there are differences in the platform, and costs as a result. So the question is: what are those differences worth for gaming?



    And on a side note: our Phenom II X4 965 just arrived. Instead of doing a review like most sites where just a bunch of benchmark charts are listed, I think we'll do something a bit different. After seeing the feedback here, I think we'll attempt a Phenom II vs Core i7 Overclocking Value article. It's more complex than the gaming article, and will take a bit more time, but I think it'll be worth it. Putting the chips on air and water, see what happens. Should be VERY interesting!!
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    intresting!! can't wait to see the results!

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    Thanks for putting in the work to give us an interesting and informative article. It's exciting to see so many responding.
    I think cat 9.8 was scheduled to be released today. It is supposed to increase Quad core Crossfire performance substantially on the Dragon platform.

    I am very happy to see PUREOC taking a broader approach to performance assesment.
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