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Thread: Phenom II vs Core i7: Overclocking Value Comparison

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    Default Phenom II vs Core i7: Overclocking Value Comparison

    When we recently took an in-depth look at gaming performance and corresponding value in our Phenom II vs Core i7 Gaming Value article, it became very apparent that the fanboys on either side of the fence had much to say about the results, leading to some very spirited debate.

    After carefully considering some of the comments, we decided to expand our examination and follow up with another Intel vs AMD article, one that instead focused on CPU performance and overclocking. Today we bring you that article, once again tackling another topic that sets off the passion: does AMD or Intel provide better overclocking value?



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    At 3.93 GHz for $250 it's still a decent deal no matter how you look at this, and the overall cost for a complete build is something like $250 cheaper than Intel. Even at 140w TDP the X4 965 still runs cooler at both stock and overclocked.

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    Good read. :cool:

    Although I think the i5 is now a force when it comes to Phenom II vs Intel when it comes to budget gaming and overclocking. Clock for clock (both at 3.8 Ghz for example), i5 is quicker. And it's cheaper. Only downside is the 8x CF/SLI, but the Phenom has it's own downside of CF only. This is only an issue for i5 if you want to SLI/CF dual GPU cpu's like 4870x2 or 295GTX, which don't scale very well anyway. When overclocked the Phenom consumes a monster amount of power and the i5 is an improvement in this area, although it loses some of that when it's OC'd. The turbo mode is another great feature, you can OC to 3.5 Ghz, and then get the turbo boost to 4Ghz in single or duel thread applications like games. While keeping the power wattage and heat down, as opposed to running 4Ghz all the time. Intel really seems have to AMD covered on every angle at the moment, and that's coming from someone who's using an AMD and has for the last 2-3 builds.

    Even at 140w TDP the X4 965 still runs cooler at both stock and overclocked.
    It runs cooler but it's upper ceiling is 70-75degrees C, where as the i7 can hit 90 degrees. 65 degrees on Phenom = 75 on the i7. I might be wrong on the exact figures but it's something like that. The i7 is happy to run a bit hotter.

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    Core i5 is targeting the mainstream market, mostly will be budget systems and mainstream users don't go for dual GPU cards (x2 or 295) and even if they want CF or SLI they won't notice much of the performance lost because they are not hardcore gammer.

    Enthusiatics, OCers and gammers don't care about the Turbo, most of them disable this anyway when they aiming for higher clock and they are also don't care about power consumption either.

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    Updated hotlink in the review.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deton View Post
    Core i5 is targeting the mainstream market, mostly will be budget systems and mainstream users don't go for dual GPU cards (x2 or 295) and even if they want CF or SLI they won't notice much of the performance lost because they are not hardcore gammer.

    Enthusiatics, OCers and gammers don't care about the Turbo, most of them disable this anyway when they aiming for higher clock and they are also don't care about power consumption either.
    I don't think that the Core i5 line will be ignored and overlooked by gamers/overclockers. For budget minded OCers/gamers, I think that the Core i5 will be the way to go. Core i3, though, is a different story, unless it's being bought to be nuked.

    Core i7 will still be top dog, but to some, 4 additional threads isn't worth a price hike of 50%. AMD needs to quit wasting time and get its **** together and compete!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deton View Post
    Core i5 is targeting the mainstream market, mostly will be budget systems and mainstream users don't go for dual GPU cards (x2 or 295) and even if they want CF or SLI they won't notice much of the performance lost because they are not hardcore gammer.

    Enthusiatics, OCers and gammers don't care about the Turbo, most of them disable this anyway when they aiming for higher clock and they are also don't care about power consumption either.
    Well.. to me it was a close battle between i5/Phenom II/i7. I guess I would classify myself as "hardcore gamer". The only time I care about benchmarks or OC's is before a purchase. FPS and money is the main things but I am quite hardcore about those things. I know for the enthusiasts i7 is the way to go, and for sure it packs a big extra punch in terms of max potential for not much extra money. The 920 at least. The other two are robbery.

    What I meant was in original post was.. Phenom was advised in Skyguy's great article for gaming value. I think the i5 has overtaken it, depending on the prices in your country. So I chose the i5. With the i5 now released and benchmarked, I now think that the AMD is a ripoff, especially the 965BE. Depends on your country though I guess.

    Here.. the i5 is same price as P II 955BE = $268. Mobo's = same price if you want 790FX chipset or 8x SLI/CF. The low end cheaper P55 boards only come with 16/4x CF/SLI. People need to watchout for that. The 965BE is $342. i7 920 is $364.

    The other bonus for i5 is that it is faster then the Phenom in CPU orientated tasks. It has no HT, but the Phenom doesn't either.

    I think it's true about the turbo in the past, but I think this generation of turbo is the first worth thinking about. Future versions will probably be even better. The reason I care about power consumption and effeciency.. 750W Antec Truepower = $174. Cheapest 850W+ powersupply = extra $90-150. Why turbo is so helpful for games is that most games only take advantage of 1-2 cores. So you have a Core2Duo when needed, and a quad core all in one. With less power consumed. I could never justify running over 4 Ghz on all 4 cores 24/7. Especially in 34C degree heat. Summer coming up soon. With turbo on the 1 or 2 core tasks can reach 4Ghz tho, hopefully with alot less heat.

    I know there are some need that 24/7 4Ghz OC though, and obviously for them the i7 is the way to go. But for others the i5 slipped nicely in between Phenom and i7. Which is a bit of a shock because a month ago I didn't even know what i5 was.. it was only Phenom vs i7.

    It just occured to me that I hijacked this thread a bit, sorry about that.

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