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    Default AMD/Gigabyte Build

    This one was a pain in the azz to get up and running... But all said and done it's purring like a kitten.

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    Default Re: AMD/Gigabyte Build

    Excelent. Congrats.
    Glad we all could help your kitty to purr.
    Nice RIG BTW.

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    Default Re: AMD/Gigabyte Build

    Thank you sir... A graphics card and 8 more gigs and it will be set. Im just glad it's running with no issue's (finally) lol.

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    Default Re: AMD/Gigabyte Build

    Yup, that will be it.

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    Default Re: AMD/Gigabyte Build

    Nice to hear you have it working. Good looking rig.

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    Default Re: AMD/Gigabyte Build

    this the same one that was starting on it's own? or a new build? looks pretty stellar, what graphic's are on the APU? i am being lazy and don't feel like looking it up lol

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    Default Re: AMD/Gigabyte Build

    Nice build.

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    Default Re: AMD/Gigabyte Build

    Ya,, this is all pretty much new hardware and my first non-stock build. I would like to know if anyone has suggestions on any settings tweaks for gaming? I've never had a chance to overclock a AMD APU and thought it best to ask the community as you guys would know more than I. Nothing major.. just something to get better Frames per second as the Chip got choppy on the FireStrike Test. Not trying to post big numbers, just want to have smoother game play.

    I do not have a Graphics Card and probably won't for awhile unless I can get one handed down.

    The APU graphics are AMD Radeon 8670D



    4769
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    875
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    It's best for me that I take it slow in any modifications to Frequency, Voltage etc..


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    Default Re: AMD/Gigabyte Build

    If you want faster iGPU performance you might want to see if you can't overclock that memory you have. iGPU performance relies heavily in your system memory's bandwidth, and any increase in memory speed directly translates to better iGPU performance (one of the few cases where it's consistently true).

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    My Ram is sitting at 1333 Mhz at the moment. I'll start off boosting Ram speed. As I'm a noob when it comes to the subject. I'll have to read up on it before touching anything in the Bios.

    Can I ask about software for safe overclocking? I do have CPUz as I've always used it just to see what hardware was running at. More like software to safely push frequencies up or down.

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    I would like to see what they say about the ram OC'ing, what i have read and been told is that you need to tighten and or loosen the timing of the RAM, but that being said, i had a rough time finding info on the same ram and timings i had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steveox View Post
    My Ram is sitting at 1333 Mhz at the moment. I'll start off boosting Ram speed. As I'm a noob when it comes to the subject. I'll have to read up on it before touching anything in the Bios.

    Can I ask about software for safe overclocking? I do have CPUz as I've always used it just to see what hardware was running at. More like software to safely push frequencies up or down.
    Unless your motherboard has an auto overclocking feature I highly recommend against software-based overclocking. Software-based overclocking typically leaves you with a very unstable system as it is fighting against your hardware's BIOS instructions. In the case of this system overclocking isn't too bad at all. We actually have a few overclocking guides in here that are representative of typical overclocking procedures, but I'll simplify it the best I can here:

    1. use software like OCCT to put your APU under a 100% stress and see what voltage peaks at in stock form (I recommend this for only about 10 min, that'll give you a good sample set to work with).
    2. record that voltage, go into your BIOS and manually set VCore (CPU voltage) to that total. Manually set your CPU's multiplier to match your highest recorded clock speed across all cores.
    3. Shut off C1E State, C6 state, Cool n' Quiet, CPU Spread Spectrum and Turbo Boost. While those features are good for stock use (and actually very much recommended), they can create strange stability bugs with your system.
    4. Set your LLC (load line calibration, or how your motherboard's power phase responds to a load on the CPU) to it's highest or second highest setting. This will ensure that your CPU is getting at the very least the voltage you set for VCore, if not a bit more under load situations to ensure stability.
    5. once you get back into the desktop environment, use OCCT to run a small data set OCCT test for at least an hour to make sure that your clock is stable for lighter 100% loads and that your present cooling solution can handle the overclock.
    6. If your system passes this test without going to over 85C (OCCT reads AMD chip temps really awkwardly: reads them as a total package instead of on a core-by-core basis) then you are good to go for temperatures (small data makes highest temps in CPU testing).
    7. If your system went over 85C then you should reconsider getting a different cooling solution before pressing on with overclocking. If it error'd out before it hit the temperature threshold, that means you need more voltage for it to be stable. Re-enter the BIOS and bump up your voltage by .025V at a time, reboot and retest until you are stable and within temp thresholds.
    8. once you establish that your cooler can handle those temps, you will next need to run a Linpack test to validate total system stability (OCCT has a tab specifically for this test). This test stresses both your CPU and your RAM at the same time to confirm total system stability. If your system passes this test, then you are at a fully stable overclock for your current settings. If it fails, bump up voltage by .025V at a time in BIOS, then rerun the test until it passes. Don't worry, it shouldn't hurt anything; you'll need to run Linpack for at least an hour, though most recommend at least 8 (OCCT allows you to set timers and temp thresholds to make testing MUCH easier).
    To push for higher clock speeds than this, the easiest way to do it is to increase CPU multiplier by 1, then re-test as described above. You'll soon get a ballpark figure in your head as to where you can overclock to with your cooling solution since temps will tend to increase in a very predictable way based on clock speeds and voltages. keep pressing on for as long as your cooler can handle the heat output or until you reach a good, stable overclock that is exactly where you want it.

    A word of caution: should you start to overclock the iGPU any, this will increase your CPU temps as well since everything is on the same die, so mind your CPU temps as well when messing with the iGPU.

    EDIT: Memory overclocking, on the other hand, is kind of a dark art. I find the best way to overclock memory is to do the following:

    1. set RAM voltage manually to 1.6V (unless it is specified already to run at 1.65V)
    2. increase RAM speed to the next tier up (ex: 1600 MHz -> 1866 MHz)
    3. increase your first three timings by one point, the fourth timing by three
    4. run a memory burn-in test to verify stability. If it passes then chances are you are good to go. If it DOESN'T... well there's a few things you can do.

    Adjusting memory:
    when you look at memory, it is usually rated with three or four timings that look something like this: 9-9-9-24

    When timings are discussed in terms of "tightening the timings," this means they are being numerically reduced. "Loosening timings" means that they are being numerically increased. There is sometimes a fifth timing that is discussed: Command Rate (will look something like 1T or 2T). A general rule with Command Rate (CR) is that for two DIMMS, you can set this value to 1T, but with four or more 2T will help with system stability.

    of the four primary timings, the fourth usually offers you the most wiggle room, followed by the third, then first, and lastly second. Think of these timings as stoplights being timed to direct traffic in a city: they must be optimized and in-sync with one another for information to flow properly, otherwise you see a lot of "traffic jams or accidents". Basically you play around with timings until they are as low as they can feasibly go, adjusting and testing them one at a time.

    Hope that helps at all!

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    Wow.. thank you very much for the descriptions and steps. This gives me a great idea on what I need to look at when going through the Bios. Knowing where to start in the Bios was going to be my next question.
    You have explained this pretty well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steveox View Post
    Wow.. thank you very much for the descriptions and steps. This gives me a great idea on what I need to look at when going through the Bios. Knowing where to start in the Bios was going to be my next question.
    You have explained this pretty well.
    Cheers! Knowing where to start in your particular BIOS will be different from my experiences since I have not worked with that board, though there are others in this forum that have I'm sure. I think you'll do alright with figuring it out, these new UEFI BIOS's that manufacturers implement now make BIOS navigation fairly simple. Names of various setting might change a bit from manufacturer to manufacturer, but it mostly flows the same. If you feel a bit too timid to continue on at any stage in your tuning experience, just come on back and hit us up, I'm sure someone will respond to whatever question you have.

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    Gigabyte UEFI BIOS is pretty simple, no worries. Any question, just ask here and (like Mgutierrez33 said): "...someone will respond to whatever question you have."
    PS. Also you can put some leds in your case (to illuminate your baby).

    Always look beyond the limits...

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    Thanks guys... yup.. I need some light to brighten the inside.

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