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    Default Need help with a new build first time watercooling

    Hey guys planning doing a new build and going big this build have no knowledge of watercooling besides the basics and wanted to see if the community could help me choose some of the components for my guild i will list what i have so far


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    1.Lian Li PC-P80N - Lian-Li Global | PC-P80N


    (Used the older model of this tower for air cooling loved the front cage door seemed solid and well built)


    2.Thermaltake Core x9 x 2 in Stacked configuration - Thermaltake - Australia - Core X9 - CA-1D8-00F1WN-00


    (Bit iffy on thermaltake as i have seen a friends case fall apart and heard quality is rubbish although running this case in stacked setup would create some serious room)


    3.Corsair 900D - Obsidian Series® 900D Super Tower Case


    (Looks like an amazing case well built read good reviews leaning towards this currently)


    4.Case labs STH10 - MAGNUM STH10 - CaseLabs Store


    (Looks amazing i have read quality is amazing the shipping price is also err amazing for australians it will cost me $701 for the configuration i want basically ventilated with xxl window and then $267 in shipping costs USD so roughly $1250 - 1300ish australian for the case if people can somehow convince me on this i may be willing to purchase it)




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    Intel 5930k






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    Asus Rampage V Extreme x99






    Video Card


    Torn between the following


    EVGA GTX Titan X (and wait for the 980ti or possibly add another titan x later on)


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    EVGA GTX 980 Classified x 2 (or run sli 980's and not upgrade for long time)




    Memory


    Undecided really the dd4 is expensive and don't know how much of a difference in frequency timings really effect anything am i better getting just 2600 or is 3000 a must etc ? corsair vs g skill (I personally liked the corsair dominator platnium with light bar purely for looks)


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    Samsung 850 Pro Series 512GB SSD


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    Watercooling


    This is where i need the community help the most with what is the best setup to run etc i only wanna cool cpu and have room for my choice if i go 1 or 2 gpu's inevitably i will end up doing 2 gpu's 100% so i wanna have all the stuff needed to cater for 2 gpu's


    Tubing i heard this stuff was good - 1/2" ID x 3/4" OD x 1/16" Wall Norprene® Chemical Tubing | U.S. Plastic Corp. (Would like it in all black if possible ?)

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    Default Re: Need help with a new build first time watercooling

    I would go with the Case labs STH10. I have the Th10 love it.Need help with a new build first time watercooling-rig-001.jpg

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    Default Re: Need help with a new build first time watercooling

    If you have enough money to spend on such great build, I suggest you to go with i7 5960x instead of 5930k.

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    Default Re: Need help with a new build first time watercooling

    Quote Originally Posted by Smiki007 View Post
    If you have enough money to spend on such great build, I suggest you to go with i7 5960x instead of 5930k.
    Not rolling in cash but trying to balance good quality stuff without cheaping out too much the system will only be used for gaming nothing more no benching / work at all which is why i decided on the 5930k is there any other reason to invest more for the 5960x ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitale87 View Post
    Not rolling in cash but trying to balance good quality stuff without cheaping out too much the system will only be used for gaming nothing more no benching / work at all which is why i decided on the 5930k is there any other reason to invest more for the 5960x ?
    8 cores / 16 threads is a pretty good reason for me, but any way as you gonna use your PC only for gaming 5930k is good choice. I think in that case better board for your purpose (no bencmarks, no big OC...), could be this MSI X99S Gaming 7.
    you can have an excellent gaming and OC board for a more than a half of price of RVE.
    MSI X99S Gaming 7 LGA 2011-v3 Intel X99 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard - Newegg.com

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    Default Re: Need help with a new build first time watercooling

    Regarding to case:
    Obsidian 900D is one hell of a good case (I have it), but I'm a little disaponted with the space insade the case, has a lot of space, but in my opinion is not well distributed.
    My opinion and favorite case is Enthoo Primo de Phanteks.

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    Default Re: Need help with a new build first time watercooling

    Quote Originally Posted by Smiki007 View Post
    Regarding to case:
    Obsidian 900D is one hell of a good case (I have it), but I'm a little disaponted with the space insade the case, has a lot of space, but in my opinion is not well distributed.
    My opinion and favorite case is Enthoo Primo de Phanteks.
    Having had both (still have the Phanteks), the Enthoo Primo is a world away from the 900D. Much better build quality, better engineering and design and IMO much nicer looking in person.


    Quote Originally Posted by Vitale87 View Post
    Not rolling in cash but trying to balance good quality stuff without cheaping out too much the system will only be used for gaming nothing more no benching / work at all which is why i decided on the 5930k is there any other reason to invest more for the 5960x ?
    If this is a gaming rig, why not go the Z97 route with a 4790K? It will be significantly less expensive, offer the same gaming capabilities and still have eight threads in the chance that games actually start using them.

    Somehow making the X CPUs more affordable has made people assume that they are better for gaming and day-to-day computing, which in most cases they are not. Unless you are doing some heavy CAD/video editing/3D rendering/etc, they are simply more expensive rather than offering noticeably better performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciarlatano View Post
    Having had both (still have the Phanteks), the Enthoo Primo is a world away from the 900D. Much better build quality, better engineering and design and IMO much nicer looking in person.
    Yeah, I know that now.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ciarlatano View Post

    If this is a gaming rig, why not go the Z97 route with a 4790K? It will be significantly less expensive, offer the same gaming capabilities and still have eight threads in the chance that games actually start using them.

    Somehow making the X CPUs more affordable has made people assume that they are better for gaming and day-to-day computing, which in most cases they are not. Unless you are doing some heavy CAD/video editing/3D rendering/etc, they are simply more expensive rather than offering noticeably better performance.
    I agree with you on this, Z97 wil be the better gaming choice than X99, and cheaper too.

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    Default Re: Need help with a new build first time watercooling

    Agree! Z97 is really the sweet spot for gaming.

    If (like me) you were doing a whole lot of Handbrake transcoding, then the X99 with the i7 59XX series makes a lot of sense because I can use the cores/threads. Current Games? Not so much.

    Otherwise, I think the only reason to use X99 would be increased RAM support (64 GB ) and the larger number of available PCI-E lanes (Triple SLI/Crossfire for example).

    Personally, I think you'd be better off with the 4790K, and spend the extra money on your cooling loop.

    As for cases, well, I'm partial to Fractal Design, so I'm not much use there <grin>.

    Finally, if I were to spend this kind of money on a machine, there's no way I'd bother with a 1TB HDD. I'd go ahead and drop a couple 1TB SSD's in this beast, or the 850Pro for Boot and a 1TB Crucial or Samsung SSD for "data".

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    I have the Core X1... and its large for an ITX case (since the MB is mounted sideways/flat) Its sturdy, and tons of stuff can be moved, flipped, adjusted, etc... I cant imagine the X9 size... probably PLENTY of room in just ONE case (not stacked) - otherwise I would go with the 900D

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    Default Re: Need help with a new build first time watercooling

    Quote Originally Posted by StaticFX View Post
    I have the Core X1... and its large for an ITX case (since the MB is mounted sideways/flat) Its sturdy, and tons of stuff can be moved, flipped, adjusted, etc... I cant imagine the X9 size... probably PLENTY of room in just ONE case (not stacked) - otherwise I would go with the 900D


    I did the review for the X2 and it is a pretty good size case with a lot of features. The X9 would be a blast to build in. I see no reason on why he would need two. That case is massive enough to fit everything you would need including a custom cooling solution and a bunch of drives.
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    How about the Tt T81 case? I did a build for my son in one. Need help with a new build first time watercooling-new-tubing-done-001.jpg Need help with a new build first time watercooling-alex-tt-004.jpg
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    Default Re: Need help with a new build first time watercooling

    Z97 for gaming

    All SSD storage for gaming, you might even consider RAID for those. If you want faster still then the new Intel storage solution is near but it will initially restrict which MB you can choose. Any particular reason why you choose the Samsung 850 Pro?

    The case only needs to handle sli setup plus 5-6 x 120mm or 140mm of rads. There are sooo many ways to get the best watercooling and to do so requires 1 thought from you.... best absolute performance or best quiet performance? I am guessing the latter and going against the grain here I think for that I would recommend remoting the rad from the rig.

    Not going to comment on GPU until I see red vs green results for new amd solution

    Buy the best quality PSU you can. It is the heart of your system. EVGA or Seasonic Platinum psu's are right up there. Aim for full load of the rig to be in the 50% to 70% of psu capability window for best efficiency.

    Memory speed is not going to be noticeable to the naked eye. I am from the slower speed but more of it camp so for example if you had in mind to buy 16GB of superfast ram I say get 32GB of Slower ram..... but then again I don't game so maybe others here will explain the virtues or otherwise of this strategy for a gaming machine.

    Edit: This might bring you up to speed on NVMe connection of newest SSD's: http://pcdiy.asus.com/2015/04/the-fa...ries-nvme-ssd/ Do you need it? NO. As to whether you want it .....well..... that might be different
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    Default Re: Need help with a new build first time watercooling

    Main reason i was aiming at such an expensive build was i managed to sell my old pc for $2800 which means thats $2800 towards whatever i buy then ontop was willing to spend between $1500-2500

    The reason i chose x99 was i thought it would be better to future proof the build as i don't do upgrades to individual parts or very rarely anyway i usually build the machine use it for 2 years sometimes longer then i sell it off and a decent price and start a new build if i go the z97 route with older cpu would i not be limiting the lifespan of the pc even shorter or am i completely wrong ?

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    Default Re: Need help with a new build first time watercooling

    I'm getting ready to build an X99 system. Save some money on the case, and buy a better CPU. Get an X and not a K series.


    Also, a pair of 980s in SLI is going to rock your games like nobody's business, but there are new cards from AMD and NVIDIA coming out this summer.
    Waiting to see what happens would be a good idea.
    Remember that X99 systems will support three GPUs at a time too. What would three 980s perform like?
    I have two dual GPU cards to go into mine for Quad-SLI, and I think that that will do it for me for a long time.

    The Z97 platform is good for gaming. I have an i7-4790K box that seems to churn through my games like butter. It has an R9-290X 4GB GPU in it and another one will go into it in a few weeks.
    Going Z97 is not a bad idea at all and you'll like how it works. I'm planning to put a 1TB PCI-E SSD into it as soon as I can. They are the real deal for SSD speed.

    I'm putting the X99 box together because I got a great deal on parts.
    I'm saving a lot of cash and I've always wanted to get something that's closer to the top of the line.
    I usually can't afford the good stuff.


    As for a case, I can't recommend the Rosewill Blackhawk Ultra enough. It has a ton of room, is designed well, and comes with a load of fans that are quiet too.

    Here is our review on it.

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    Default Re: Need help with a new build first time watercooling

    I've decided to go the Caselabs TH10A route locked in an order on it manage to find 1 in stock inside australia costing me $980 including shipping downside is i can't configure it the same as if i was to order it directly from case labs however i think the setup they had is the usual default setup


    CaseLabs Magnum TH10A Black ATX Case, XL Window, No PSU [MTH10A-XL] - $959.00 - Scorptec Computers


    What sort of options do i have for water cooling with this is there a specific setup that just delivers good performance keeping in mind ill want to be cooling 1 cpu and 2 gpus and not worried about noise ofcourse i don't want a jet engine next to me but im not too fussed about having some silent pc either performance > noise within reason

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